dnp

[stevenz]

this is probably a stupid question but i have only done 2 cycles and i keep hearing people say they lost a lot of body fat doing dnp. what exactly is dnp?

 

[needsize]

dnp is a fat loss drug that helps you drop weight extremely fast, and can kill you if you dont know what you are doing

 

[TxLonghorn]

dnp is a fat loss drug that helps you drop weight extremely fast, and can kill you if you dont know what you are doing

Excellent summary.

 

[Quasimoto]

DNP

Nobody answered your question stevenz..please let me try. DNP is the acronym for a drug called 4-2 DiNitrelPhenol . It was the first ever precription drug for Obesity on 1933 ( something like that ) It is very dangerous and very hard to control . I have used it a few times successfully, and never really wouldn't consider using it again. It will kill you deader than fried chicken in a heart beat. It makes your metabolism increase 2 - 3 fold, and makes you sweat like a jew getting ready for the oven * MODS I CAN SAY THAT, I AM JEWISH* If you are serious about using it let me know and i can try to help you out.

Go Ducks !!

 

[TxLonghorn]

Re: DNP

Nobody answered your question stevenz..please let me try. DNP is the acronym for a drug called 4-2 DiNitrelPhenol . It was the first ever precription drug for Obesity on 1933 ( something like that ) It is very dangerous and very hard to control . I have used it a few times successfully, and never really wouldn't consider using it again. It will kill you deader than fried chicken in a heart beat. It makes your metabolism increase 2 - 3 fold, and makes you sweat like a jew getting ready for the oven * MODS I CAN SAY THAT, I AM JEWISH* If you are serious about using it let me know and i can try to help you out.

Close, but a bit off.

Dnp is 2,4 dinitrophenol.

It was otc until the creation of the fda which made it their first substance to pull from the shelves. The reason they did this was because they found 6 women to have cataracts who took it, no men.

It is dangerous, but nowhere close to the extent you make it sound.

It does not make your metabolism increase 2-3 fold, in fact the way most people take it, your metabolism probably increases about 20%.

Based on what you've written, you should think twice before offering to help people out because that's quite a bit of misinformation in one little post.

 

[DADAWG]

Re: Re: DNP

Close, but a bit off.

Dnp is 2,4 dinitrophenol.

It was otc until the creation of the fda which made it their first substance to pull from the shelves. The reason they did this was because they found 6 women to have cataracts who took it, no men.

It is dangerous, but nowhere close to the extent you make it sound.

It does not make your metabolism increase 2-3 fold, in fact the way most people take it, your metabolism probably increases about 20%.

Based on what you've written, you should think twice before offering to help people out because that's quite a bit of misinformation in one little post.

TX owning newbies since 1995

 

[Quasimoto]

Hmmm...OK . I couldnt imagine losing 4-5 lbs of fat in one day on a 20% BMR increase. hardly misinformation though. Answer the question when its asked and the point is moot, right ? It is very dangerous..VERY DANGEROUS. But controllable in the proper settings, like insulin. Thanks

 

[Frosty]

Well, metabolic increase is dependant on dosage. Maybe it's 20% on 200mg, but 50% or more on 600-800mg a day.

But don't listen to me...read this thread:

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/showthread.php?t=2159

Don't ever take it unless you know all about it! A stupid mistake CAN kill you.

Oh, and quasimoto, you don't lose 4-5 lbs in a day. Many people get that in a week. More if you up the dosage or respond well to it.

 

[ILoveTren]

yep be careful... really dangerous

 

[jarbulldog]

this stuff makes me nrevous, do you loss alot of muscle mass on it?

 

[Frosty]

this stuff makes me nrevous, do you loss alot of muscle mass on it?

From everything I've heard, no.

Some people claim they lose a ton of muscle on it, and do skinfold caliper bodyfat tests. What I suspect is that they do the caliper test before DNP, then soon after they finish the cycle. The problem is, DNP, COMPLETELY depletes muscles of glycogen, nutrients, and water, so they will be really flat and this will mess up the bodyfat tests. Add to that the water retension in the skin caused by DNP, and you can make it look like you lost some serious muscle mass and didn't lose much fat. The same thing for when people claim they lose size. What has to be done is a massive carbup something like 5-7 days after the DNP cycle. Once all the subqutaneous water is gone, and you do a BIG carbup to refill your muscles, then you can do your BF tests. But I have a feeling many people jump the gun and do the test right after the cycle is done.

Most people say that they keep all their strength as well, which is a good indicator that no muscle mass is lost (since you lose strength before you lose muscle mass).

 

[diablo570]

What makes DNP so dangerous?
Is it do to the abuse of it by greddy dieters (super high doses like 800mg+/Day) or the misuse of it by not drinking enough water and staying on too long (several weeks straight).

Please inform us as to why its so dangerous and Deadly.

Diablo

 

[Frosty]

What makes DNP so dangerous?
Is it do to the abuse of it by greddy dieters (super high doses like 800mg+/Day) or the misuse of it by not drinking enough water and staying on too long (several weeks straight).

Please inform us as to why its so dangerous and Deadly.

Diablo

With doses around 400+mg, the side effects get really strong (and the longer you're on, the worse it gets since it builds up in your system).

These side effects include the risk of dehydration due to the massive sweating caused by all the heat going to your skin. This is especially dangerous if you got caught somewhere without an opportunity to drink massive amounts of water. Also, if taken with any diuretics, you run the risk of killing yourself.

There is also the high risk of hyperthermia which you could die from. If you got stuck in a car in traffic without air conditioning, stuck outside, or even did a bunch of cardio, you could die from it.

Taking over 600mg is generally considered very risky, and the sides are generally considered enough to knock you flat on your ass. The risks of the above happening are even greater the higher the dose.

If you eat low carb, you have a good chance of getting hypoglycemia and getting sick and throwing up all day. Eat high carb, low fat, high protein, and you'll be ok. Just make the carbs things like fruit! No pasta or you'll sweat your balls off. Hypoglycemia can be very dangerous, but I haven't heard of anyone having too much trouble with this. Just don't be an idiot and do a ketogenic diet while on.

Some people say DNP doesn't affect the liver, but I would think anything like that in your body would have to be filtered by the liver, which equals stress on the liver. I'd play it safe and take liver support before, during, and after a cycle.

But as you can see, if all of these factors are controlled, then it is relatively safe to take DNP. However, one wrong move (even a little one), can really screw you up and possibly kill you. Be careful! Do more research...read people's journals and comments.

 

[TxLonghorn]

What makes DNP so dangerous?
Is it do to the abuse of it by greddy dieters (super high doses like 800mg+/Day) or the misuse of it by not drinking enough water and staying on too long (several weeks straight).

Please inform us as to why its so dangerous and Deadly.

Diablo

Actually the only deaths I've seen attributed to it come with other factors, i.e. recreational drugs like ecstacy that dehydrate you and alcohol. But that death total comes to one.

That doesn't mean it isn't dangerous, just that most if not all of these people are just embellishing things they've read or think they've read.

For example this:

There is also the high risk of hyperthermia which you could die from. If you got stuck in a car in traffic without air conditioning, stuck outside, or even did a bunch of cardio, you could die from it.

I mean, come on, you could get stuck in traffic and die? Really?

Or how about:

If you eat low carb, you have a good chance of getting hypoglycemia and getting sick and throwing up all day.

Uhhhhhhh, no. Where do you guys get this crap?


The difficult part about talking about dnp is that most gear heads look at dnp like most people look at steroids. And now you see the problem, yes there is danger, but nothing like it is made out to be. There are sides, but if you keep dosages reasonable, there are ways to get around most sides, if not all.

 

[Frosty]

For example this: I mean, come on, you could get stuck in traffic and die? Really?

Yes really. If you're on 600mg of DNP and sweating your balls off, you should not be in a car without air conditioning in the summer. Get stuck in traffic, you overheat, dehydrate, and die. That's simple. You can die from working out in too hot of weather. Add DNP to the mix and a hot car and you can get into some serious trouble.

Or how about: Uhhhhhhh, no. Where do you guys get this crap?

When people say they take DNP on an empty stomach or don't eat enough carbs, they get sick and often throw up. This is fixed by eating some pineapple or some other fruit. If not, they will remain sick.

The difficult part about talking about dnp is that most gear heads look at dnp like most people look at steroids. And now you see the problem, yes there is danger, but nothing like it is made out to be. There are sides, but if you keep dosages reasonable, there are ways to get around most sides, if not all.

There is no way to get away from the lack of energy at higher doses. You can take some ephedra or something, but you still have extremely inefficient ATP formation, which makes physical activity difficult and you get out of breath very quickly.

There is no way to get around the heat of DNP. The most you can do is keep yourself in a cool place, keep a fan on you, drink lots of cold water, etc. You still have to deal with the heat.

You also can't get around the fact that it's a dye and makes things yellow, including bodily fluids.

 

[TxLonghorn]

I call bullshit on most of your response as well as the fact that you failed to read what I wrote: 'reasonable doses'.

Nobody's died from getting stuck in traffic regardless of heat on dnp. Nobody's thrown up all day long because of lowcarb and dnp, and yet that's what you've stated. I've yet to hear of anybody even throwing up once, but I agree it is possible. All day? No fucking way, you're just spouting fairy tales now. Have some people gotten that nauseaus feeling? Yes. But nobody's thrown up all day long. Show me where that's happened once. You can't do it.

Keep the doses reasonable like I've stated and the sides are negligible, and some don't even have any sides except for significant fat loss.

All you are doing is fanning the flames and using scare tactics. It doesn' work on me because I know better, I've done it personally, I've done tons of research, and I've helped tons of people.

 

[Popichulo]

Hmmm...OK . I couldnt imagine losing 4-5 lbs of fat in one day on a 20% BMR increase. hardly misinformation though. Answer the question when its asked and the point is moot, right ? It is very dangerous..VERY DANGEROUS. But controllable in the proper settings, like insulin. Thanks

4-5 lbs in one day? Bro that aint DNP you were on that was CRACK. Keep quiet and learn a bit, then talk.

 

[Frosty]

I call bullshit on most of your response as well as the fact that you failed to read what I wrote: 'reasonable doses'.

"Reasonable" is a highly subjective term which you did not define. Is reasonable 200mg? Many people would say 400mg is reasonable. I read what you wrote and you gave an ambiguous "reasonable doses."

Nobody's died from getting stuck in traffic regardless of heat on dnp. Nobody's thrown up all day long because of lowcarb and dnp, and yet that's what you've stated. I've yet to hear of anybody even throwing up once, but I agree it is possible. All day? No fucking way, you're just spouting fairy tales now. Have some people gotten that nauseaus feeling? Yes. But nobody's thrown up all day long. Show me where that's happened once. You can't do it.

That is a DANGEROUS way to look at things. Nobody has died doing it so that makes it safe? WRONG. Just because no one has died that way does not mean it is entirely possible. Why would you suggest that it isn't dangerous just because you haven't heard of anyone dying that way?

I've never heard of anyone throwing up all day either, but I've heard of people throwing up and being sick, and it did not go away until they ate some carbs like fruit. So yes I'm assuming they would be throwing up "all day" until they fixed that issue. Just because YOU haven't heard of it does not mean it does not exist.

Keep the doses reasonable like I've stated and the sides are negligible, and some don't even have any sides except for significant fat loss.

Again, what are you defining as reasonable?

All you are doing is fanning the flames and using scare tactics. It doesn' work on me because I know better, I've done it personally, I've done tons of research, and I've helped tons of people.

Warning people and telling them to be cautious is not using scare tactics. I'm not telling anyone not to use it, only to practice extreme caution when using it and to play it safe.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Warning people and telling them to be cautious is not using scare tactics. I'm not telling anyone not to use it, only to practice extreme caution when using it and to play it safe.

It is when you say sitting in a car in traffic w/o a/c will kill them. That's absolute b.s. and totally a scare tactic.

As for reasonable dosages, yes, 200-400mg/day powder is what I am talking about, and only a few days at a time, not months. I have written about this many times what I think reasonable doses are, sorry for not defining my terms clearly. Many who take 200mg don't even feel it for several days, except slight heat increase that doesn't affect them. Many who've gone out drinking on it and had no problems (I wouldn't recommend this, but it's happened).

You also say you've heard of people throwing up, I haven't even heard of that. In fact, the nauseau feeling that many get on dnp doing lowcarb is similar to what many get doing lowcarb alone. Nausea which can be stopped by a few sips of coke or juice. And the point I was making about never hearing of it happening just points out how rare it would actually be since this stuff's been used by tons of people since the 20s. When the fda banned it, it was on very shaky ground since they had thousands of people who took it, no birth defects, no nausea, no dying, etc., etc. All they could find was 6-8 women who developed cataracts that they attributed to the dnp.

I agree that people should be cautious about this stuff, but imo insulin is more dangerous, and people can talk about that without half the threads saying, 'You can die from that stuff.' Dnp isn't a toy and isn't harmless, but it isn't nearly the clear and present danger you make it out to be. If it were, there would be a lot more problems with it than we've experienced.

I think it's good that you are erring on the side of caution though, and by no means do I want to give the impression that I think it's harmless or should be used by the casual dieter.

All in all, I think we agree on the basics, and maybe just disagree on a few specifics.

 

[Frosty]

You also say you've heard of people throwing up, I haven't even heard of that. In fact, the nauseau feeling that many get on dnp doing lowcarb is similar to what many get doing lowcarb alone. Nausea which can be stopped by a few sips of coke or juice. And the point I was making about never hearing of it happening just points out how rare it would actually be since this stuff's been used by tons of people since the 20s. When the fda banned it, it was on very shaky ground since they had thousands of people who took it, no birth defects, no nausea, no dying, etc., etc. All they could find was 6-8 women who developed cataracts that they attributed to the dnp.

The throwing up may have been dose related. I don't recall the doses used to cause this, so I can't say. Most likely it was 400 or possibly 600mg.

And by the way, I'd like to know how the formation of cataracts was isolated and determined to be caused soley from DNP. I wouldn't doubt that nutritional deficiencies very well could have played a role in their formation of cataracts.

I agree that insulin can be far more dangerous, seeing as you can die from a normal dose if done incorrectly. That makes it extremely dangerous. At least with DNP you know 200mg isn't going to kill you.

Maybe I'm overly cautious with this stuff, but I'd rather not take chances.

Oh, and I'd just like to add to anyone reading this...don't drink while on DNP and don't use recreational drugs while on. Even prescription and OTC meds can potentially cause problems...so do lots of research on it if you're taking anything before you take DNP!