I've been on 100mg a week of Test Cyp for 18 months now. Not much I know but it made a pretty significant impact on my life...I'm happy and things work. This morning my PCM dropped the bomb on me. The med grp wants to stop all TRT treatments for all the reasons we see on the news and commercials by ambulance chasing lawyers. I feel like I've been kicked in the gut. I'm exploring other options, but just so I know, what's the worst possible scenario? My PCM says I'll just go back to the way I was but no worse. From my own research I beg to differ. My test levels were at 180 prior to TRT and I was a full time grump among other things. I'm not on HCG or anything else and it sounds like getting it might not be an option. What's going to happen to me if I have to stop TRT? If I have to stop, what's the best possible protocol I should follow? Are the fears of staying on TRT for real? Thanks for the help.
Doc/Med Grp wants to stop TRT
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Megatron28
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Just politely ask them to give you sufficient time to find a new doctor and ask them to reach out to said doctor when you find him or her with your medical history so you don have to start he process over from scratch.
You may also want to reach out to IMT here about their TRT program. Their ad is on the right hand side of your screen. A lot of guys here use them and they are very happy with their services.
It is shitty what they are doing to you. But try to get them to work with you for a smooth transition.
You may also want to reach out to IMT here about their TRT program. Their ad is on the right hand side of your screen. A lot of guys here use them and they are very happy with their services.
It is shitty what they are doing to you. But try to get them to work with you for a smooth transition.
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MJF
WWPBBD
So is it an issue of not wanting to do something without a dr script?
My levels weren't as low as yours and if my doc pulled my script, I wouldn't go back to that "normal". I was moody, depressed, on anti-depressants and other meds, and still never felt right.
I think there will be some that disagree with me on this. If it were me, I would buy my own test and remain on trt without a script. The last time I bought test, it was $*****/ 10ml vial of 200mg/ml. You're already pretty much dialed in so just continue with that dose with gear you buy on your own. Monitor with blood work on your own.
I know other people will also recommend a clinic to manage your trt and that's a good idea. For me, it's just too expensive.
My levels weren't as low as yours and if my doc pulled my script, I wouldn't go back to that "normal". I was moody, depressed, on anti-depressants and other meds, and still never felt right.
I think there will be some that disagree with me on this. If it were me, I would buy my own test and remain on trt without a script. The last time I bought test, it was $*****/ 10ml vial of 200mg/ml. You're already pretty much dialed in so just continue with that dose with gear you buy on your own. Monitor with blood work on your own.
I know other people will also recommend a clinic to manage your trt and that's a good idea. For me, it's just too expensive.
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Therealkozmo
Mr. Micropenis
Are you primary or secondary. If your nuts can produce still you can use clomid. I suggest figuring out root cause. Go get a sleep study. I understand money plays a vital role
Megatron,
I'm retired military and dealing with Tricare, so I have fewer options than the average health care coverage. I really wish I could afford the program here, it would be nice to deal with somebody who knows the whole TRT process.
Should I be scared to stay on TRT for the rest of my life? Are the commercials true? What happens if I have to quit?
I'm retired military and dealing with Tricare, so I have fewer options than the average health care coverage. I really wish I could afford the program here, it would be nice to deal with somebody who knows the whole TRT process.
Should I be scared to stay on TRT for the rest of my life? Are the commercials true? What happens if I have to quit?
MJF,
Yes, I'd rather do this with a script under a "knowledgeable" doctors care. Can you legally get test cyp without a script???
Therealkozmo,
I have mild sleep apnea but use a jaw positioner with good success. Primary or secondary????? What does that mean. I'll mention clomid next visit....thanks.
Yes, I'd rather do this with a script under a "knowledgeable" doctors care. Can you legally get test cyp without a script???
Therealkozmo,
I have mild sleep apnea but use a jaw positioner with good success. Primary or secondary????? What does that mean. I'll mention clomid next visit....thanks.
MJF
WWPBBD
No. Not without a script.
If your doc is like mine, mentioning clomid and nolvadex (or any knowledge you might have gained from this board) will get you nothing except maybe a raised eyebrow and a question of if you have used steroids before.
If you could find some literature from a place not related to steroids, bodybuilding, etc that mentioned the hpta restart potential of nolva and clomid it might help them listen. But from my limited google searches that isn't available. Anything non-steroid related only refers to the use for treating females for breast cancer and such.
EDIT: but if they make you come off trt, you will need it(nolva/clomid) to have any chance of making a recovery to your "normal" or possibly above.
If your doc is like mine, mentioning clomid and nolvadex (or any knowledge you might have gained from this board) will get you nothing except maybe a raised eyebrow and a question of if you have used steroids before.
If you could find some literature from a place not related to steroids, bodybuilding, etc that mentioned the hpta restart potential of nolva and clomid it might help them listen. But from my limited google searches that isn't available. Anything non-steroid related only refers to the use for treating females for breast cancer and such.
EDIT: but if they make you come off trt, you will need it(nolva/clomid) to have any chance of making a recovery to your "normal" or possibly above.
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MJF,
If I mention to my Dr. (actually he is a PA) anything I've read from the internet concerning TRT I can tell he automatically stops listening. I'm pretty much convinced I'm going to have to request a real doctor from my current health care group before I can have a chance at getting referred anywhere else. But of course the waiting list for a real doctor is a mile long...........this just sucks!!!
If I mention to my Dr. (actually he is a PA) anything I've read from the internet concerning TRT I can tell he automatically stops listening. I'm pretty much convinced I'm going to have to request a real doctor from my current health care group before I can have a chance at getting referred anywhere else. But of course the waiting list for a real doctor is a mile long...........this just sucks!!!
Therealkozmo
Mr. Micropenis
I wouldn't ask doc for clomid because of above stated reason. You can get pharmagrade without prescription if you know where to look. Doc has you by the balls it seems. Primary means your nuts are broken. Secondary means raise lh=more testosterone
You can get Test Cyp 200mg/mL, 10mL vials for around $*****, that will last you 10 weeks, at $***** per week. You can get LiquiDex from rui which will last you a looooooong time, that's if you even need it at 100mg a week, I know I didn't. And if you want to use HCG you can get that for $***** for 5000iu, and using 250 per injection, if you draw the syringes and freeze them that will last you quite a while. So you could make one order for a year to save on shipping and stock up. Keep the HCG in the freezer, Liquidex at room temperature, and Test in a dark, cool, dry place.
Honestly if at some point my ability to be on legally prescribed TRT doesn't exist anymore, I'll be administering it myself. The main benefit to having a doctor prescribing it at this point is I get have them write up whatever labs I want any time. That will be ran through my insurance, and for a while laundry list of labs I'll pay minimally. Ordering the blood tests from personalabs, privatemdlabs, etc can get pricey if you want a number of varying labs.
Honestly if at some point my ability to be on legally prescribed TRT doesn't exist anymore, I'll be administering it myself. The main benefit to having a doctor prescribing it at this point is I get have them write up whatever labs I want any time. That will be ran through my insurance, and for a while laundry list of labs I'll pay minimally. Ordering the blood tests from personalabs, privatemdlabs, etc can get pricey if you want a number of varying labs.
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halfwit
I like turtles.
Commercials are full of shit. Fact: low testosterone DOES kill men, funny how they never mention that... Oh wait, can't make money by fixing people, my bad.
This is news to me as I have several friends and family on VA benefits, and none of them have said anything about this. Maybe it's your doctor, and their lack of education on the topic that's at play here?
As stated above, you will likely be in a worse place than before, which I personally cannot imagine. Can it get worse than living hell? Pretty sure I'd do anything and EVERYTHING to keep from going back to that.
I do wish you the best, nothing worth fighting for is ever easy - but we're here to help along the way.
My .02c
Halfwit,
I was seeing the Dr/PA for my back (another issue) and he just brought up the TRT as he was going over my meds. He was running behind so I didn't get a whole lot of his time. While I am in fact retired military, because I live so close to the clinic I'm still seen in the military clinic. They seem to make up their own rules so truly I don't know if it's the AF, Tricare, VA or just some PA with a bug up his ass. I have to make another appointment to address this issue specifically. My head was spinning after he dropped this bomb so I didn't have my thinking together at the moment. All I could think of is "what's going to happen to me?" I am going to see if I can request to see an off-base provider that's TRT friendly, but it's kind of a numbers game for that to happen. I'm just starting to get my ducks in a row.
I was seeing the Dr/PA for my back (another issue) and he just brought up the TRT as he was going over my meds. He was running behind so I didn't get a whole lot of his time. While I am in fact retired military, because I live so close to the clinic I'm still seen in the military clinic. They seem to make up their own rules so truly I don't know if it's the AF, Tricare, VA or just some PA with a bug up his ass. I have to make another appointment to address this issue specifically. My head was spinning after he dropped this bomb so I didn't have my thinking together at the moment. All I could think of is "what's going to happen to me?" I am going to see if I can request to see an off-base provider that's TRT friendly, but it's kind of a numbers game for that to happen. I'm just starting to get my ducks in a row.
halfwit
I like turtles.
It definitely is unfortunate. I remember Congress passing a bill not long ago that allows you to see non-va doctors and clinics and still have it covered. I would be doing my homework for sure to see if his claims are true in the meantime.
Alpin
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If you were full out 180 ng/dl TT of natural production....
Good luck with that. That's no way to live. You been on for 18 months with no HCG...your nuts are probably atrophied quite some..
but non the less it sounds like you have not used HCG whike on TRT during this entire duration.
Pretty sure this doc has no real experience with TRT and knowing what to do with it.
You WILL lose muscle mass, libido, feelings of well being, energy that you enjoyed during your time on TRT as you ween off.
Your insulin won't be working the same as it did on TRT. Low T like 180 ng / dl is associated with type 2 diabetes and insulin resistance.
I'm with Halfwit on this. Social isolation, and a list of numerous low T symptoms are not to appealing.
Good luck with that. That's no way to live. You been on for 18 months with no HCG...your nuts are probably atrophied quite some..
but non the less it sounds like you have not used HCG whike on TRT during this entire duration.
Pretty sure this doc has no real experience with TRT and knowing what to do with it.
You WILL lose muscle mass, libido, feelings of well being, energy that you enjoyed during your time on TRT as you ween off.
Your insulin won't be working the same as it did on TRT. Low T like 180 ng / dl is associated with type 2 diabetes and insulin resistance.
I'm with Halfwit on this. Social isolation, and a list of numerous low T symptoms are not to appealing.
Alpin
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Strat
I wanted to also add:
I think you should ask this doctor(at the very least) that is proposing you live hypogonadal to provide you with his own test results of his T levels( on paper). If he's at around your level then its fair and an even playing field. ..imo
The point I'm trying to make is to get some reinforcement in your favor of what its like living hypogonadal.
I wanted to also add:
I think you should ask this doctor(at the very least) that is proposing you live hypogonadal to provide you with his own test results of his T levels( on paper). If he's at around your level then its fair and an even playing field. ..imo
The point I'm trying to make is to get some reinforcement in your favor of what its like living hypogonadal.
Alpin
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Commercials are full of shit. Fact: low testosterone DOES kill men, funny how they never mention that... Oh wait, can't make money by fixing people, my bad.
This is news to me as I have several friends and family on VA benefits, and none of them have said anything about this. Maybe it's your doctor, and their lack of education on the topic that's at play here?
As stated above, you will likely be in a worse place than before, which I personally cannot imagine. Can it get worse than living hell? Pretty sure I'd do anything and EVERYTHING to keep from going back to that.
I do wish you the best, nothing worth fighting for is ever easy - but we're here to help along the way.
My .02c
Many docs want to put off long term TRT for as long as they can. They'd rather prescribe to a guy after 50 or 60 cause of political reasons.... I doubt many borderline low T(300's) folk on here were prescribed TRT from the first conventional Endo they met with and those that got treatment quick were lucky.. It probably took some searching around for most.
Thing is conventional docs are in the business of disease management. What do they care if your low T will bring on diabetes earlier, loss of vitality, loss of muscle mass, etc..
These are not important for many Docs.
I should have quantified a little. I'm 54 years old, could stand to loose 25-30 pounds, but otherwise I'm pretty healthy and active, though I don't go to the gym. The last time my test was checked it was 460ish with the injections so not ridiculously high.
I did a little research on what it takes to switch Primary Care Managers (PCMs). Apparently the "lack of confidence" card will make things happen. We'll see.
Good for you man. Mine was 144 no way I'd ever go back to that. The difference in quality of life is astronomical. Even if you told me TRT was guaranteed to take 10 years off your life (which is isn't of course) I'd still do it. I'd rather live feeling like I do now till 65 then live till 75 feeling like I did then.
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