Does my body need more juice than the average beginner?

[TrojanMan56]

Is there anyone around here that knows for sure is using real gear but has very mild side effects? I've done two cycles so far. The first was 500mg test E/week for 15 weeks. I noticed very subtle gains in muscle and increased hair growth on my torso. That's about it. The second cycle I did was Test Prop and Tren Ace. I started out with 100mg test EOD, and 100mg tren EOD for 4 weeks. Didn't feel much. Then I started to do 75mg of each ED (just over 1gram/week) and over the next 5 weeks, I began to notice more muscle gains but nothing dramatic - very subtle. Although, my chest was noticeably harder. Over these next five weeks, I also had occasional night sweats and very minor but unusual acne on my back (like several large pimples and I've never had acne there before). I've also had minor cough from the tren, but not very often. Altogether, my body has taken steroids very easily, the gains have been somewhat disappointing and I feel like my body is just resistant and needs more juice than the average beginner to illicit good results. After all, isn't tren supposed to be extremely potent? Does anyone else feel like they are the same way or think this is normal (just have a stubborn body that is very resistant to drugs)? I am 21 years old, 180lbs lean. I was 165lbs when I began steroids one year ago. My source is legit.

 

[JWS77]

You're not running gear right. (4wks isn't long enough)

Things people do wrong when cycling:

-bad diet/not enough carbs/not enough protein
-not working out sufficiently
-not pinning enough when using short esters
-not cycling long enough
-not dosing high enough

There's alot more to be said here, but I'll let someone else have a crack at this.

 

[Misc]

your diet is off. prob not eating enough.

 

[lexluther]

theres a really good post on here about running tren i believe its by the det-oak. it looks like your running your tren and test at the same levels and considering they both fight for the same androgen receptor that might be your problem and like jws said your not running nearly long enough i mean this gear is just getting into your system really good and thats when your quiiting. do a search on tren theres alot of good info on here bro

 

[TrojanMan56]

theres a really good post on here about running tren i believe its by the det-oak. it looks like your running your tren and test at the same levels and considering they both fight for the same androgen receptor that might be your problem and like jws said your not running nearly long enough i mean this gear is just getting into your system really good and thats when your quiiting. do a search on tren theres alot of good info on here bro

Technically, I ran the tren for nine weeks. What I meant was that I started out with 100mg of each EOD for the first 4 weeks, then upped the dose to 75mg of each ED for the next 5 weeks. Did I write EOD? I meant 75mg of each EVERY DAY for the next 5 weeks. So I ran a total of 9 weeks, doses ranging from 200mg EOD = 100mg ED, to 150mg ED.

 

[UserAt204]

I know guys who make this claim and think they need more gear for the same average results. I don't believe it to be true but I don't know everything. Usually when this happens, you are either already very very close to your genetic potential so gains are hard to come but or most likely you are not eating enough. You need to count every calorie you eat in a day and figure it out. Most guys aren't eating as much as they think.

If you are eating and training right you will grow even from lower doses. You need to train hard and heavy low reps to gain. You need enough sleep. Dead lifts, bench, and squats should be your main lifts. Everything else is just extras.

Are you taking an AI? Some people convert test to estro rapidly and you don't gain from high estro and lower test levels.

 

[Logical]

The only time i believe you really need the higher doses is when you're already an absolute monster, IE 250+

if you're under 200 pounds and over 5'5", and you're not making the gains you want, it's more than likely because of diet

 

[coltmc45]

You're 21 and started at 165 and you wonder why your gains suck?! Your stats say it all, it's cuz you don't know how to eat. Doesn't matter what you run or how much, if you don't eat you won't gain. You're not superman and resistant to gear. You're hindering your gains cuz you eat like a bird.

 

[boostedteg81285]

The only time i believe you really need the higher doses is when you're already an absolute monster, IE 250+

if you're under 200 pounds and over 5'5", and you're not making the gains you want, it's more than likely because of diet

I'm up to 267 now and I've seen nice gains on 600mg of Test C and 500mg of Deca a week! This guys is little to begin with and probably needs to be eating twice as much lol

 

[UserAt204]

Good call Colt, I didn't read his entire post and missed the part about his stats. Lol you do not need more gear. Honestly you didn't need any to begin with. What you did need was more food. I can garantee you are not eating enough or training properly.

List you full days food and your complete training routine and you might get some help. And you should not even be using gear at your age.

 

[combobreaker]

People are always talking diet this... diet that... I think genetics is 100x more responsible for gains that diet ever will be. Half the NFL players I know grew up living off KFC, kool-aid, and candy. They still got to be 6'4"+ and 270lbs+. The players I was in contact with during the lockout did not even take protein shakes. They ate 3-5 meals a day of crap, and are still phenomenal athletes. I myself have hit 217lbs and I feel like a look better natural (with a bad diet too) then a lot of guys on juice. I've been taking 350-400mg/wk of test prop (eod) and in 30 days I've gained ~9lbs and moderate str increases. My diet is pretty solid as well.

I've seen some guys post pictures on here that are on a LOT of gear and I feel like I looked way bigger when I was 18 and just beginning.

It's possible your body just isn't responding to test and certain compounds. I'd say instead of increasing doses, try new chemicals.

Diet IS very important, but isn't everything. I went from 145lbs-200lbs in my first year of lifting and the only thing I thoght I needed was BSN's NO Xplode lmao. I ate maybe 1,500cals a day and maybe 100grams of protein tops.

Just my 2 cents. Not trying to offend anyone or step on toes.

 

[DADAWG]

People are always talking diet this... diet that... I think genetics is 100x more responsible for gains that diet ever will be. Half the NFL players I know grew up living off KFC, kool-aid, and candy. They still got to be 6'4"+ and 270lbs+. The players I was in contact with during the lockout did not even take protein shakes. They ate 3-5 meals a day of crap, and are still phenomenal athletes. I myself have hit 217lbs and I feel like a look better natural (with a bad diet too) then a lot of guys on juice. I've been taking 350-400mg/wk of test prop (eod) and in 30 days I've gained ~9lbs and moderate str increases. My diet is pretty solid as well.

I've seen some guys post pictures on here that are on a LOT of gear and I feel like I looked way bigger when I was 18 and just beginning.

It's possible your body just isn't responding to test and certain compounds. I'd say instead of increasing doses, try new chemicals.

Diet IS very important, but isn't everything. I went from 145lbs-200lbs in my first year of lifting and the only thing I thoght I needed was BSN's NO Xplode lmao. I ate maybe 1,500cals a day and maybe 100grams of protein tops.

Just my 2 cents. Not trying to offend anyone or step on toes.

dude your then same guy who made a post thinking that a 10 week cycle of test would make you diabetic and put you on a insulin pump.

genetics makes a difference no doubt but 90% of the guys here whos cycle suck is due to lack of food , ive seen it thousands of time.

 

[combobreaker]

dude your then same guy who made a post thinking that a 10 week cycle of test would make you diabetic and put you on a insulin pump.

genetics makes a difference no doubt but 90% of the guys here whos cycle suck is due to lack of food , ive seen it thousands of time.

Yeah Dawg, I thought I was in a thread with someone talking about doing growth for years non-stop.

Like I said, diet IS very important and I agree with you the majority of guys who cannot grow just are not eating right. I mean, muscles are broken down in the gym and built in the kitchen.

The point I'm trying to make is sometimes we gotta accept the facts... there are limitations that our parents gave us and some obstacles are going to be tougher to overcome!

 

[rustjunk]

Not one person mentions he probably has underdosed crap gear. Get a blood test.

 

[combobreaker]

Good call rust!

 

[coltmc45]

Nobody mentioned it because he said twice his source is legit and with his stats his diet sucks ass. He didn't need gear in the first place, he needed some chicken and eggs

 

[shithead]

Agreed

Not one person mentions he probably has underdosed crap gear. Get a blood test.

 

[UserAt204]

Umm if you don't eat you won't grow. I don't know who you know but I talk to pro athletes on a regular basis and they eat more then three average guys. When saying "diet" it simply means cals/protien/fats/carbs. I've never said anyone needs a clean diet to grow. You need cals to grow. Genetics are a factor but you need to eat to grow plain and simple.