Does the idea make any sense, Nolvadex for fat loss?

[minitor2]

someone i think it was crawler2222 had told me a while ago that if you took 40mgs of nolva a day and dieted you would shed fat quickly. he said he did it and it worked like a charm. id like to know how something like that would be possible and how it would work or if it would work at all. lets get some opinions. thanks guys

minitor2

 

[TxLonghorn]

I think it sounds silly. However, it might help you lose fat in the hard to lose fat areas...providing you are dieting right.

 

[minitor2]

yeah

what i was thinking was it would bind to the estrogen receptors and maybe make u more able to get rid of the estrogenic fat patterning but not for total weight loss. but lets get somemore opinions.


minitor2

 

[hhajdo]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6633

 

[ready2explode]

A long time ago, when musclemag was free, a mod that went by the name of Cemm tried 100mgs of clomid ED for 9 months. He said it hadn't helped him lose fat or reduce fat in those hard-to-lose places.

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

I personally have seen women experience fat loss while using nolvadex. Most likely due to their higher estrogen levels then men. Also some men depending on where their fat is located can experience some reduction. Again mainly due to estrogen suppresion. However if he's trying to imply that it acts like a thermogenic he's yanking you sausage mate.

 

[Mudge]

Its a breast cancer drug, I am not sure at all really how it is going to "burn fat."

 

[minitor2]

hey hhajdo

what do you think the best doseage to experiment with this would be and do you think ifi combined it with t3 and clen would it produce optimal results?


minitor2

 

[hhajdo]

i wouldn't recommend it for fat loss since weight gain was noticed in some human studies....



Breast Cancer Res Treat 1992;22(2):129-32 Related Articles, Links

Weight gain after primary surgery for breast cancer--effect of tamoxifen.

Hoskin PJ, Ashley S, Yarnold JR.

Department of Radiotherapy & Oncology, Royal Marsden Hospital, Surrey, UK.

Changes in body weight have been studied in 92 consecutive patients with primary breast cancer from the time of initial diagnosis and treatment. Sixty patients receiving tamoxifen were compared with 32 controls receiving no hormone treatment. Weight gain was seen in both groups, but was greater in the group receiving tamoxifen. Premenopausal women receiving tamoxifen had greater weight gain than postmenopausal women on tamoxifen therapy.


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Tamoxifen administration is associated with a high rate of treatment-limiting symptoms in male breast cancer patients.

Anelli TF, Anelli A, Tran KN, Lebwohl DE, Borgen PI.

Department of Surgery, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, New York, New York 10021.

BACKGROUND. Although an uncommon disease, male breast cancer (MBC) will be responsible for 300 deaths in 1993 in the United States. Because of the high rate of estrogen receptor positivity in males, adjuvant hormonal therapy with tamoxifen in the adjuvant setting has been used widely. Little is known about the side effects of this estrogen receptor blocker in males. METHODS. The authors evaluated the side effects of adjuvant tamoxifen treatment in 24 patients (19 of whom were estrogen receptor positive) treated at the authors' institution between 1990 and 1993. RESULTS. Fifteen (62.5%) patients reported at least one side effect. The most common side effect was a decrease in libido, which occurred in 7 (29.2%) patients; followed by weight gain, which occurred in 6 (25%) patients...

 

[Powerhouse9]

Mudge, Just because a drug is made for one thing doesn't mean it doesn't do anything else. Look at clen, its an athsma medication, but it burns fat. Also viagra was made for heart disease or something, and look at what it does.

 

[Powerhouse9]

Also, high estrogen stores fat. I would think you would shed water and not necessarily lose fat but slow down the storage of fat instead.

 

[Drveejay11]

Minitor:

TOLD YA PUNK

LOL......

 

[johnsomebody]

One of the biggest reasons not to do Nolva or Clomid long term is the possibility of permanent vision impairment. I'm sorry I don't have the links to the info but if you do some searches you should be able to find it. Include the word "occulotoxicity".

Here's one abstract, which concludes "Treatment with clomiphene can cause prolonged visual disturbance"...
Visual disturbance secondary to clomiphene citrate. Source: Arch Ophthalmol (Archives of ophthalmology.) 1995 Apr; 113(4): 482-4
Additional Info: UNITED STATES Standard No: ISSN: 0003-9950; NLM Unique Journal Identifier: 7706534 Language: English Abstract: OBJECTIVE: To identify a distinctive constellation of persistent visual abnormalities secondary to treatment with clomiphene citrate. DESIGN: Description of the clinical findings in three patients with visual disturbance secondary to clomiphene treatment. SETTING: A neuro-ophthalmology referral center. PATIENTS: Three women aged 32 to 36 years treated for infertility with clomiphene for 4 to 15 months. RESULTS: All three patients experienced prolonged afterimages (palinopsia), shimmering of the peripheral field, and photophobia while undergoing treatment with clomiphene. The results of the neuro-ophthalmologic examination and electrophysiologic studies were normal in all three patients. Unlike previously reported cases, visual symptoms did not resolve on cessation of treatment. Patients remain symptomatic from 2 to 7 years after discontinuing treatment with the medication. CONCLUSIONS: Treatment with clomiphene can cause prolonged visual disturbance. Patients who develop such symptoms should be advised that continued administration may cause irreversible changes. Women with characteristic visual symptoms should be questioned about past use of clomiphene.

 

[Mr. dB]

One of the biggest reasons not to do Nolva or Clomid long term is the possibility of permanent vision impairment. I'm sorry I don't have the links to the info but if you do some searches you should be able to find it. Include the word "occulotoxicity".

Hmm, my problem with presbyopia got dramatically worse at almost exactly the same time that I did Clomid therapy after my recent cycle. I think there's something to this.

 

[Mudge]

Mudge, Just because a drug is made for one thing doesn't mean it doesn't do anything else. Look at clen, its an athsma medication, but it burns fat. Also viagra was made for heart disease or something, and look at what it does.

Of course, but not a single property of Novadex points to fat loss, it seems assinine.

 

[Mudge]

Also, high estrogen stores fat. I would think you would shed water and not necessarily lose fat but slow down the storage of fat instead.

Then lets use Arimidex or something that isn't only good with estrogen in one tissue.

 

[Mudge]

One of the biggest reasons not to do Nolva or Clomid long term is the possibility of permanent vision impairment.

Do not use while pregnant or breast feeding. Do not take if you are sensative to it or have had an allergic reaction, or are using the blood thinning drug Coumadin or have had problems with clots in your veins or lungs.

Nolvadex increases the risk of endometrial cancer, increased chances of developing endometriosis, uterine fibroids, uterine polyps, ovarian cysts. Can also cause liver damage, should be used with caution if you have liver issues.

If you experience visual problmes while taking nolvadex, notify your doctor.

Can raise cholesterol as well as other fat levels in the blood. Can produce abnormal calcium levels in the blood. Symptoms include muscle pain and weakness, loss of appetite, and if severe, kidney failure.

If tests show low white blood cell count or platelets while you are taking nolvadex, your doctor should monitor you with special care.

Can lessen or alter the effect of other drugs being taken.
Blood thinning drugs
Bromocriptine (Parlodel)
Cancer drugs (Cytoxan)
Phenobarbital

For breast cancer 'revention' 20mg ED for up to 5 years is used. If taking more than 20mg ED then split into two seperate doses.

Thats the basic gyst of what my pocket guide says.

 

[muroman]

`I was wondering if lowering naturally high estrogen levels, while not on AS would be a good idea.

I foget the guy on this board, i think its silver back or something but he's been off for 10 months and his test is fairly low still and his estrogen is through the fuckin roof. He has got to get thouse estro levels down for sure. Should he use nolve or armidex to take care of that problem.

Also has anyone hear heard of men haveing to use anti-E&A's indeffinately to combat naturally high estrogen levels?

thanks for any help peace

 

[Mudge]

Naturally high? I am going to guess they would not look very manly and probably would not know anything of chemical "enhancement" in order to even ask thier doctor how come I look like a pussy.

I would probably go for arimidex, maybe not alone though.

Like everything says, these drugs cannot be used non-stop if you care about your health, in that regard of course everyone is different but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

 

[IGF]

I think that using arimidex by itself during a fat loss 'phase' is an idea with some merit. Tamoxifen DEFINITELY makes most, if not all users, exhibit weight gain, while arimidex has not. Clomid use was a poor choice from the start in a post above...mostly because 9 months of it can probably be toxic.. I must search for the info on that one though.
Bottom line, I know lots of guys who have put together an 'anti-E' fat loss cycle and did well. Many also do this to 'prep' for a cycle...
Why not try it?