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Madhaya

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Yes, it's my first thread.:bash:

Joking aside; I am no slug that refuses to use the search feature. I have read plenty, and I have gleaned that many Doctors are cookie cutter TRT qwacks that Rx a single plan for everbody.

Here's my deal. I went to my Dr. over 40# overweight with low energy & low libido. Tested me resulting in T around 200 & "above average" HGH production. Ensuing Rx = 200mg 1x a week of 90/10 cyp/enan, 1mg rimidex 2x a week, 500iu HCG 2x a week.

I have read to not expect any life improvement for 6 weeks, but I have read to feel it instantly, as well. I am 16 days in & don't feel shit. I'm shot, and am tired as ever. Sound normal, or should I suspect the Tampa compounding agency to be selling me bunk.?!

What's the deal with all I'm reading about discontinuing Anastrozole due to Estradiol levels.

I'm only 2 weeks in, but Im thinking I'm gaining weight, or bad size, already w/o any change in lifestlye.

Something sound Fugazi.?!
 
Too much Anastrozole. Also, you are taking a hefty dose of test at one time. Split your dose in two, and cut your adex in half to start.

Anastrozole is a VERY potent drug, not to be taken lightly...
 
Too much Anastrozole. Also, you are taking a hefty dose of test at one time. Split your dose in two, and cut your adex in half to start.
You really need to test estradiol after about 4 weeks to be sure.
:agreed:

This is a big protocol to start with. Most docs start low and work up ... not yours!

I typically take 100mg 2x per week with 0.5 arimidex EOD without HCG. I am pretty much dialed in on this protocol. This sets my test levels pretty at the upper end of the normal range. This is about the largest dose I can realistically take on an extended basis. I don't really need the HCG and it makes it difficult for me to manage my estrogen, so I typically don't use it.

At 200 per week your peak test levels will probably be well over 1200 (I know my test levels would be over 1400 on your protocol with HCG). I would not be surprised if your trough was over 1000.

Test is not like most drugs ... it's effects are almost glacial. I think we can assume at this point that your test levels are good and solid. As methos pointed out, your AI dose looks high. If you crash your estrogen (E2 or estriodol) levels, you will not feel good. I know that if I take a 1 mg tablet of arimidex my E2 drops to scary low levels - like 9 or something like that. 0.5 mg of arimidex and my E2 is in the mid 20s - much better. Everyone is different, but this at least gives you an idea of where someone else would be on a similar protocol.

The reason I know all these numbers is because I run my own blood work and check my levels several times a year. So I pretty much know what happens if I take this dose or that dose or add a compound like HCG to my basic protocol.

You are 2 weeks in, my best guess is that you should be feeling better soon. Just hang in there. If possible, some exercise would help. At some point, you are probably going to need to dial this protocol back. But for right now, I would just try to get the AI dialed in.

I am assuming that you are self injecting and have control over dosing and timing. The more control you have, the more options that you have. In general, you will need to plan for or otherwise deal with some issues in the future. Your test levels are most likely way up there: 1) your blood is probably going to get very thick very fast; 2) you need to do some blood tests to get dialed in; and 3) your doc is going to run some follow up blood tests in the future - do you want to present him/her with blood work that is potentially off the charts?

As to point 1, if you are going to be in TRT with a big ass dose, you need to manage your blood iron levels (Hemoglobin, Hematocrit). Your doc should have told you this, but he/she may not have. You need to donate blood, plain and simple. If you are like me, you will need to donate blood every 2 months. You should probably start in about 2 weeks. If you just ignore this, your blood will get super thick, your doc will see it on the follow up blood work and he/she will cut your dose or take you off TRT. This is not optional for most of us. You should plan on donating blood about a week before your blood test for your doc. It pays to plan ahead rather than get blind sided with Hemoglobin, Hematocrit levels that are dangerously high.

As to point 2, depending on where you live, you can probably order your own blood work. This is how you get dialed in. I suppose you could just wait for your doc to do it for you but I wouldn't. You want to know where your E2 level is on 0.5mg AI ... run some blood work and find out.

As to point 3, assuming you run your own blood work prior to the doc's follow up work ... you should be prepared to make an adjustment in advance of the doc's blood test. Donating blood a week before will fix your iron levels. I'm not sure you want your doc to see your T levels over 1400 on the follow up test either. So you may want to skip a shot and let the levels fall a bit before the test ... I would. If you do your own blood work, you will be in a much better position to know what to do.
 
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Too much Anastrozole. Also, you are taking a hefty dose of test at one time. Split your dose in two, and cut your adex in half to start.

Anastrozole is a VERY potent drug, not to be taken lightly...

my friends split dose and say they like it, while others take one X and say its fine.
 
>> follow up questions <<

METHOS/MPRTZ <> Thank you, both.:)

So even on Cyp ester, you think 2x per week is “better”. To stabilize more consistent levels… I deduce.

What are you suggesting to do about strozole? I take 1mg every 3.5 days. I heard .5mg, instead? If I do this, what warning signs should I be wary of ; what would be the potential negatives I could experience?

MPRTZ <> How does my bodyfat play a role in strozole dosage? May I ask you, or is this something that I should do on my time?

LUCIUS <> Awesome! Thank you…:)

If I ask things that I should do on my time, please tell me! I am asking them because they are in reply, but if I’m asking too much, I’m sorry.

What is the benefit of the HCG & Strozole at the same time; why would a Doc Rx both? I mean I am seeing you are adjusting your levels by adjusting the variables, but why would a Doc give both off the bat, and what should I look for as negative signs associated with an “overdose”?

What does HCG do to your/my Estrogen?

You said,”I think we can assume at this point that your test levels are good and solid.” Do you know of poor quality or “bunk” T coming from Pharmacies through the legal HRT avenues. My products come in the mail from their chosen compounding pharmacy, and the vials are sealed & boxed & look on the up & up. The strozole are bulk caps, not tabs in foil or branded rimidex.

If I were to try .5mg strozole every 2 or 3.5 days like those recommended before you, can I just pour a half cap sublingual?

Exercise: I was just laid off after a 4-year tenure, and thus have time to now get off my ass and start jogging. I had worked an average 80.3 hours a week for those 4 years so call it an excuse, but I had no time or energy to exercise. I regularly did 100-hour weeks, and I’m just spent to be honest. I would get a day off after working, let’s say, 20 straight, and sleep 18 hours straight, easy. I guess my body went into sympathetic nervous system shock because I gained 25# in the first 3 months alone with no change in diet. I started at 6’2” 190#, and after 4 years, I am now 265#, and fucking furious with myself. The pay was great, and my health took a backseat because there was no option… work the hours or lose the job. Now I’m unemployed, and have who knows how much time to dial things back in. I don’t even know myself anymore.

I’m dying to lift – obviously, the HRT bonus being an exciting motivator, but I developed a horrible “tennis elbow” in my dominant arm & it is so damn limiting. I have no idea what to do about it. The tendon under the brachioradialis connecting all the extensors is just straight pain. I have a very high tolerance, and this just sucks. Woe is me; I’ll shut the fuck up now… :bash:

As to point one: Dr. never said anything about iron levels. They did say I do blood once a year required, but they prefer every 6 mos. @$200 a pop FYI. I am 2 weeks in, and you suggest I first donate blood in 2 weeks from now, then every 2 months & a week before any blood tests?

As to point two: How do I determine if I can order my own blood? I saw a Moderator with a privatemdlabs link, but I have never done anything like this, and I’m feeling like my Dr. is not so concerned.

THANK YOU AGAIN, AND IN ADVANCE FOR ANY FURTHER ADVICE YOU MIGHT OFFER!
 
I'll address some of the above:

Yes, levels will be more stable on 2x per week. This by itself can reduce the need for AI (aromatase inhibitor).

Re. bodyfat: fat tissue plays a role in aromatizing testosterone to estrogen, so if you have a lot of fat you could require more AI than a leaner person.

If you are not taking enough AI your estradiol will be elevated. Symptoms of this include breaking out in acne, prostate issues, water weight gain, mood issues and gynecomastia.

If your anastrozole comes in caps it's probably from a compounding pharmacy - the simplest thing would be to get 0.5mg caps instead. That requires a new script though, I suppose opening the caps is possible but very tedious.
 
MPRTZ <> Thanks again...

I will request .5mg next Rx, but that's in 8 weeks. ;( As mentioned earlier, it is a compounding pharmacy. This is a new concept to me; are they generally reputable?
 
MPRTZ <> Thanks again...

I will request .5mg next Rx, but that's in 8 weeks. ;( As mentioned earlier, it is a compounding pharmacy. This is a new concept to me; are they generally reputable?

Compounding pharmacies are great. They are able to deliver customized dosages and delivery mechanisms. I get my testosterone in 4ml vials so that I can use a fresh vial every 4 weeks (which is the longest you are supposed to use a vial once unsealed).
If you go drug store you're stuck with 10ml vials and are forced to use medication long past its beyond first use date. Many doctors and pharmacists don't seem to care.

Let's hope that the packaged drug industry doesn't succeed in lobbying compounding pharmacies out of existence.
 
Here is a shot at a few of these questions : others will probably chime in with their take on some these topics before I post this. Most of the answers should be similar since we all read stuff off this forum. It will take a while for you to absorb all this. If you are going to be in TRT, you might as well start now. Also, no such thing as a perfect answer since the human body is pretty complex.

So even on Cyp ester, you think 2x per week is better To stabilize more consistent levels ... I deduce.

Yes, levels are more constant: T level does not peak as high or drop as low. There are actually pros and cons to each approach. I like to keep my levels more constant. As your T level rises and drops, you will see more estrogen production. Estrogen production seems to be more linked to the change in T level as opposed to the absolute level. In my case, I have trouble controlling E2 if I let my levels rise and fall.

By "trouble" I mean that my E2 goes out of range on the high side on blood tests. For example, if the preferred range for E2 is like 20-40 ... I end up with blood tests with E2 in the 60+ range. I hit 90 once. Do I feel any symptoms from this ... no, not really. I do start to get some acne, this is a sure sign for me that the E2 is drifting up. I have also taken too much AI and dropped my E2 into the single digits. Do I feel any symptoms from this ... only once, my joints felt like they were on fire for about a day. If this happens, you make a small adjustment and all is well.

Letting your levels rise and fall does have some advantages. First, this is kinda what the body does, the body does not keep your T level at 800-900 day and night. Second, red blood cell production is reduced (Iron ... hemoglobin, hematocrit). Keeping levels high all the time cranks up red blood cell production big time. Some people are worse than others. Some folks basically can't be on TRT - blood gets too thick, too fast. I saw a post from one guy - he had to donate more than once per month and can't even stay in the normal range for hemoglobin, hematocrit. I have to donate every 2 months and just barely keep things under control. If I were to let my T levels drop a bit, I might see some relief on the red blood cell production - but it comes at the expense of estrogen control.


How does my bodyfat play a role in strozole dosage?

Males do not have a gland/organ (like ovaries) to produce estrogen. Instead males convert testosterone into estrogen. This is done by the aromatase enzyme that is generally stored in or is part of fat cells. So the higher you push your testosterone, more aromatization and more estrogen. You can't stop this -> more testosterone = more estrogen. Plus, the more fat cells you have, the more aromatase enzyme in the system ... and therefore even more estrogen is produced. This is why we always ask about body fat. This is why body builders typically do not recommend running huge amounts of testosterone when you are overweight, because you can't control estrogen levels. Of course this is just a rule of thumb kind of thing, everyone is different. Some people don't aromatize much, others do -with wide ranges of body fat.


What is the benefit of the HCG & Strozole at the same time; why would a Doc Rx both? ... What does HCG do to your/my Estrogen?

So Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and an AI like Anastrozol(Arimidex) are two totally different things - opposites really. HCG basically stimulates your own natural T production. The testes get two "signals" to turn on T production ... FSH and LH. HCG basically mimics LH and stimulates the leydig cells in the testes. When you take testosterone, your body sees it. It turns your natural T production off. So both FSH and LH basically go to zero. Your testicles shrink. Your natural production T pretty much ceases. This can affect fertility and have other side effects. HCG at least partially turns on your natural T production, keeps the testes going, helps with fertility and good things like that. Like anything else this is both good and bad. Also, it's only partially turning on your natural production since HCG only mimics LH. There are other compounds that mimic FSH like hMG (human Menopausal Gonadotrophins) - less common, it's typically used for fertility issues.

So what is the down side to HCG (and there is always a down side) ? - aromatization. HCG causes more aromatization ... something about the stimulation of those leydig cells can cause a nice spike in estrogen. I have trouble controlling E2 when taking HCG.

If you took test only and your peak T level was 1100 ... and then added HCG and your natural production was like 300 -> you might see T levels of 1400+ on your next blood test (I did). This is not ideal, you can't feel anything "extra" from being at 1400. More likely, T levels like this will just cause you more side effect (like estrogen raging out of control).

As for the AI, it's intended to reduce your E2 from the elevated T levels and also the extra bonus effects of HCG, extra T and a nice spike in E2. You are shooting for E2 around 20-25 ... this is not so easy to do. If you overshoot on the AI, you crash your E2 - and feel like crap. Too little AI and your estrogen will be too high - this is also bad in the long term. You may see some acne, but ultimately you could actually start to develop ... female features like breasts. So we don't want to go there either. You don't need to make your self crazy over this ... but you do want to get dialed in within some reasonable time frame.


You said,"I think we can assume at this point that your test levels are good and solid." Do you know of poor quality or "bunk" T coming from Pharmacies through the legal HRT

This was a bit of sarcasm. The T from compunding pharmacies totally legit - not bunk at all, it's pharmacuitical grade medication prescribed by a doctor. Pretty much as good as it gets - plus you got HCG as well. Some folks don't really respond to testosterone injections (their levels are lower than expected give the dose they take). In your case, your T levels are probably huge, perhaps even off the scale for typical blood test (some blood tests can only measure so high - so the T level comes back as >1400 or something like that). Basically, you are almost running a cycle like you see in the bodybuilding forums. But this is OK for now. You just started, and your doc has cranked your T levels up big time. Let's just see what the T can do. Let's just say, your doc did not go at this half way. Nope, he/she went all in. You want to know what happens when you crank the T levels up well above the normal range, well you are about to find out. One day you will want to cut this back, because your protocal is probably more than is needed and could cause some unnecessary long term issues. Again, let's not worry about that for now.

Like you have read from many posts, the effects from T are kinda glacial. You may not feel much for a while. Even though you are totally juiced. Most people start to feel better, but it's slow. Hopefully, it will just happen. One day you will suddenly notice that you feel OK. Hopefully it will get better from there.

If I were to try .5mg strozole every 2 or 3.5 days like those recommended before you, can I just pour a half cap sublingual?

Yes, it does not matter how you swallow it. Dump half into you mouth (or dump it into a glass of liquid) and swallow it. Not ideal, that it's in capsul form, but this is what I would do.

Exercise ... but I developed a horrible tennis elbow

Been there done that. Not fun at all - no sir. Do what you can. Work everything else. You know what they say. The weight does not care about your excuses. So you get in there and move some weight. Work around the tennis elbow if possible. I found there were certain movements I could do (no way I could curl with a bar) such as hammer curls with a dumbell. Does not matter whether you use a machine or very light weights. In fact, I'm a pretty big fan of keep the number of repetitions higher than 15. Pick up a light weight and do 30+ reps until the muscle is burning. Increase the weight and do a set of 25 ... and so on. Get those muscles pumped full of blood until you feel like the skin is going to rip and you want to die - and then repeat. I find that if I keep the weight reasonable, the joints don't mind. I'm not saying to never lift heavy. But when you are older like me, the joints don't like it. So I do what I can. Keep the reps higher, protect the joints, only do those exercises that don't aggravate the joint in question, watch the form, no slouching or hunching over, no wild ass jerking movements or crazy cheating to lift weights that are just way too heavy. When I go the gym, I see a lot of this. A bunch of you kids trying to lift way too much weight, cheating, looking like idiots - but they are young and can get away with it (like I did when I was young). Older guys can't do this - so your only option is to increase the reps. Does this still work - yep. Can you add mass doing this - yep, you sure can.

The tennis elbow will go away. Mine took many months of effort and it's still not quite 100% perfect. If you can't really do anything at all, I would go to a physical therapist of you can swing the cost. I went to a physical therapist for about 2 months and he gave me a bunch of silly looking exercises to do. Did they fix the problem, they sure as heck did. Mostly stability type things. Simple movements using a large ball or bands/straps. Slowly but surely, the pain got better.

privatemdlabs

Yes, you would want to order the "Hormone Panel for Females". This can be ordered by males and females. Look for coupons, total cost like less that $60. This will give you pretty much all that is needed. Does not include "Free T" but I don't care about this. I typically want to see total T, Estradiol and hemoglobin, hematocrit (part of the CBC). Once you are dialed in, you won't need to run blood tests that often. Certain states don't allow this kind of testing (NY, NJ, RI, MA or MD) hopefully you can use their service.

Timing ...
So your doc has no plans on following for 6 months to a year - holy crap. First of all, I love your doc, huge protocol, hands off, life is good. Seriously, I really love him/her. But you need to get on top of this. This shit is not going to manage itself.

You have some flexibility on timing. I would switch to 0.5 AI right away. I was already at 17.5 hemoglobin within 2 months of going on TRT. My best guess is that you will be also. Why not just run the lower AI dose for two weeks and then get the female hormone panel and see what is going on. This will give you enough data to figure out whether or not it is time to donate blood.

By the time you see your doc, you will be dialed in. You will be able to present him/her with nice orderly blood work. No levels off the charts. He/she will then give you the same prescription for the same dose and you will manage it all from your end - and life will be good. Honestly, you will probably want to back things down by then. There is just no reason to be waking around with T levels at 1400+ on a daily basis. No good can come from this. But let's just get your symptoms under control so you are feeling good first.
 
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Bored at work today ... Like I said, 200 per week with HCG is a huge protocol to manage for the average Joe. It's certainly more than I can run safely. It's fantastic to have the prescription there so you are always supplied with medicine. It's also fantastic to have a doc that is hands off and to be in a position to control the dosing. You will see after your first blood test why you can't maintain this dose for more than a few months. Keeping the E2 and Iron levels in check are the main issues. Gotta find the right ballance - gotta make a few trade offs here. Your doc is not going to do this - it's very clear he/she does not know how. Testing in 6 months to a year is not gonna get you dialed in. You want to approach this like an adult. You want to feel better and also thinking long term you want to minimize the harm. All drugs have pros and cons and associated risks. You just want to make reasonable decisions on how much risk you are taking on for the benefits you are receiving. You are going to be on TRT for the rest of your life. No sense blowing up your heart or other organs with an uncontrolled protocol.

When bodybuilders run a T cycle they do like 300-500mg of T per week. I'm pretty sure this is how they manage E2 -> they let it rise a bit outside the normal range. Fine in the short term, but they are only running a cycle for like 6-8 weeks. Then they back it down. More testosterone = more estrogen and there is nothing you can really do about this. More testosterone = more red blood cells. More estrogen and more red blood cells = bad, plain and simple.

Sure you can donate blood to manage iron levels. But just how often do you really want to donate. Donating blood is OK, not that painful, you are helping others, but it's not exactly fun. Sure you can take an AI - but you can only move the numbers so far. When your T levels are way up there (1500, 2000, 2500 ...) you start to run out of options. You can't just keep upping the AI dose. You just can't donate blood fast enough. Too big of an AI dose and you probably wont feel good. The various AI drugs all have side effects, the larger the dose, the more the side effects. Plus, they are just not that good for you. It may take a bit of effort to get those E2 levels sorted out. There are a few different AIs and all have pros and cons. Hopefully, anastrozole (arimidex) works well for you. In the end, you will probably back the dose down since you won't be able to balance everything at your current dose.

In any event, I'm pretty sure good things are about to happen.

Once the TRT protocol is dialed in you may want to look at a few other options. No need to worry about this for now. If you had lots of cash, I would say GH would help a lot. Very expensive, but your tennis elbow would be healed in like half the time. Peptides are another option, also very helpful with joint issues also expensive. All of this stuff can be obtained by prescription for those folks that need it and can afford it. Oxandralone (Var) would have been great, but you can't really get a prescription for that anymore (this makes me sad). I'm not talking about bodybuilding doses here - but smaller doses to help those joints. TRT clinics prescribe these compounds on a regular basis. They specialize in the use of these compounds for actual medical problems, not for you to get huge for a bodybuilding contest or something like that. Of course, you probably will add some muscle, so that's a bonus (just not as much as a bodybuilder since the doses are not as large). So looking down the road, there are some other compounds that can help you along.
 
I agree that 200mg/week with HCG is far from a "set and forget" dosage, but will require constant attention.

I went for over a year on 200mg/week before conceding that it's just a bit much to be sustainable.
I donated blood and platelets 12 times in that year, to the point that I got a call from the blood bank that I hit the FDA's red cell loss limit and had to wait until my first donation dropped off the trailing 12 month window to donate again.

I also did 4 private blood tests in addition to the ones that my clinic ordered.

Starting on 200mg/week was great and got me really dramatic "don't recognize my own body" type of results, so I would stay with it for now, take the great advice you're getting above and if you keep reading here you will soon learn what you need to know to manage your own treatment effectively.
 
Starting on 200mg/week was great and got me really dramatic "don't recognize my own body" type of results, so I would stay with it for now, take the great advice you're getting above and if you keep reading here you will soon learn what you need to know to manage your own treatment effectively.

Agreed, same here story here. 200mg per week got me to where I am now. Body composition is totally controlled and I feel good pretty much every day. Just gotta be realistic and back things down from time to time. For me this happens once or twice per year - definitely for a few months prior to my blood work for my local doc. No sense handing your doc blood work with the levels completely wacked out. Keep your ducks lined up and keep this stuff managed.

You can donate blood to more than one organization ... they do not cross check. I could donate blood 50 times a year if I wanted to. Of course, if you find the need to donate more than once every 56 days, you have screwed up and need to make an adjustment.

Another benefit of donating blood that I did not mention. They check hemoglobin for you. So you if you are already dialed in on the AI dose, then you don't need to worry about testing hemo - since you get this tested every time you donate blood - yay!

One more thing, gotta watch the prostate. Testosterone is great and all. Once you get older, make sure you are getting those yearly PSA tests and a prostate exam every so often. I'm not saying that testosterone causes prostate cancer. But if for some reason you start to see some prostate issues you may want to think long and hard about blasting those test levels (since I'm pretty sure this could shorten your life).
 
MPRTZ <> Thank you, again for the tidbit... I will request 2 x 5ml.

LUCIUS <> You are a wealth of help; thank you. I'd like to add that I was a member here a decade ago (I can't remember my password), even before this board as it used to have another name, and the technology seems to have refined so much. I have forgotten more then I can remember, but your words are refreshing my memory, thank you. I was in a totally different mindset then, as well.

Irrespective of my nostalgic retrospection, I have a few more questions & comments:

When explaining the Estrogen sides you mention "female like breasts". Are you referencing fat storage or gyno?

When talking AI: You suggest moving from my 1mg to .5mg immediately. You're saying my biweekly dose, or the EOD dose you do? Obviously, EOD will drop me from 2mg per week to 1.5mg per 6 days; bi-weekly will drop me from 2mg per week to 1mg per week.

Your last paragraph references GH, Peptides, & Anavar. I can't afford GH. Anavar was an option, but is no longer? Peptides are a Rx through my Dr.?

You have been a MAJOR help thus far, thank you! So much more so than my doc, but I prefer it that way. I like to manage my health...
 
...You can donate blood to more than one organization ... they do not cross check. I could donate blood 50 times a year if I wanted to. Of course, if you find the need to donate more than once every 56 days, you have screwed up and need to make an adjustment...

Yes, but you'd have to lie on the interview, and I personally draw the line there.
I have a very good relationship with my blood bank, and I now donate more often than I need to to control my hct. It's important to me to feel that I'm not just using them for my own benefit.
 
When explaining the Estrogen sides you mention "female like breasts". Are you referencing fat storage or gyno?
Yep, gyno. If you wanted to transition from a man to a woman, I'm pretty sure they would raise your estrogen levels. This will cause you to grow breasts and develop other female features/aspects. These effects don't automatically reverse after your levels return to normal. Not an expert on this. Not an issue if you control your estrogen.

When talking AI: You suggest moving from my 1mg to .5mg immediately. You're saying my biweekly dose, or the EOD dose you do? Obviously, EOD will drop me from 2mg per week to 1.5mg per 6 days; bi-weekly will drop me from 2mg per week to 1mg per week.
This is a judgement call. We are just guessing here. Blood work is needed to dial this in. I do 0.5 eod. This is by no means a small dose but seems like a reasonable starting point given the size of your protocol. I just would not do 1mg all at once - this does not work for me at all - E2 drops to single digits. I pin 100mg 2x per week (Monday morning and Thursday afternoons) to control E2. Again, not a small dose by any means (kinda the max dose for TRT). I think I would be more concerned about crashing E2 or side effects from too large of an AI dose in the short term. Some people don't react well to an AI. Their body does not tolerate them well. Just keep an eye out for acne and sensitive nipples. You have been on for two weeks, even if you just started to split your AI and test dose now it seems like you could do blood work in like two weeks, test levels should be reasonably stable by then. Do the blood work the right before you pin, we want to see the trough. If your E2 is like 60-90 on 0.5 EOD, then you will need to think about what to do.


Your last paragraph references GH, Peptides, & Anavar. I can't afford GH. Anavar was an option, but is no longer? Peptides are a Rx through my Dr.?
Yeah, all this stuff can be had by prescription and it's all expensive. Some compounds can be obtained by other sources but this is the TRT forum and it's not my place to comment on that. Tried them all and liked them all. Var was great. I was able to get a few rounds of this from the TRT clinic. Joints loved it. Body composition loved it. They can't prescribe it anymore unless you really have a muscle wasting condition. I think if you are a 75lb old lady, you could get Var. Too bad, it's very helpful. You can still get GH, it's still mega expensive. GH Peptides work similar to GH and are also pricey. Again - Joints love this stuff, body composition does as well. These things won't make you huge, but they do help heal up shoulder and elbow injuries.

You have been a MAJOR help thus far, thank you! So much more so than my doc, but I prefer it that way. I like to manage my health...
No problem, we all feel your pain, we have all been there. This forum helped me the same way. You got in here early, before you got into trouble. That certainly simplifies things a lot
 
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