dosage of Deca-Durabolin with TRT

[Gramps]

Hey, folks. New here, and I didn't see an intro forum, so...

I've been seen in other similar groups, been around 50 or so years, no interest in the bodybuilder routine.

I'm currently doing the TRT routine (starting at 294, adjusting down from 1396 after TRT). I live with daily joint pain related to multiple issues I can go into later, but for now, the doctors are no help and I won't do narcotics. I've read good things about deca for joint relief. What's a minimum dose to use for relief with 100-125mg of test cyp per week?

 

[Mprtz]

One Gram.

Joking, welcome to 'ology. Don't have any deca experience, but I'm sure someone here will help you.

 

[Gramps]

One Gram.

Joking,

Looks like you get around! LOL.

 

[MJF]

Other people will have more/better info than me. But I started last week adding in 200mg per week deca with my 100mg per week trt. I was told just for joint relief, 150mg deca would be fine. Also, so far I have had no problems with erections with the deca dose being higher than the test, but I also take a low daily dose of liquid cialis too.

 

[Gramps]

See, that's another thing I haven't found any info on... The way I understand it is, deca knocks down your natural test resulting in ED. So, it's usually recommended to do less deca than test. But, I see others using it similar to your way, but no one reports on long term results. ED is already hit and miss and I don't want to cause any issues there which is why I want the minimum I can use without wasting my time. I, as well, take around half of a 20mg cialis per day related to circulation issues.

 

[johnfromeurope]

U don't need much of it. And every case is different. If you now take 0, why not start with 100mg/week, see how it works and build the dose up from here?

 

[halfwit]

See, that's another thing I haven't found any info on... The way I understand it is, deca knocks down your natural test resulting in ED. So, it's usually recommended to do less deca than test. But, I see others using it similar to your way, but no one reports on long term results. ED is already hit and miss and I don't want to cause any issues there which is why I want the minimum I can use without wasting my time. I, as well, take around half of a 20mg cialis per day related to circulation issues.

The testosterone you're on has already knocked your natural testosterone down to zero, so no worries there. Limp noodles from deca is attributed to prolactin, which is often the result of poorly controlled estradiol. If you manage estradiol (every guy on TRT should be aware of his estradiol), then it's pretty rare to encounter problems in that department.

I personally enjoy 200mg/wk of deca with my TRT, but I do think it's possible to achieve therapeutic benefits with less. Just remember that deca does aromatize, so you may have to increase your AI if using one with TRT.

My .02c

 

[Gramps]

Estradial is 96 - the higher the better, right?? Yeah... I'm working on that as of now and should get that under control within a week or so.

So, I'm hearing bids of 100-200. Do I hear any lower? Going once..., twice... Anyone have any positive results from less? I'll likely start lower and work by feel, but it looks like I may be fishing at a lower dose based on input here.

 

[Albiedamned]

Really interested to see where you end up starting and settling on this. I've been researching doing the same thing to help out some of the aches and pains of aging without messing with my test dose, which is currently dialed in pretty well. 100-200mg per week seems standard from all the reading I've done on other boards as well, but thats not personal knowledge or experience. I like the less is more approach and just adjusting up until desired result is reached. Keep us updated and welcome to ology gramps.

 

[Roush]

Deca still messes with your trt if it's dialed in or not -- why, cause it does aromatize,, tweaks may be needed to trt if adding deca.


To find these tweaks out sooner then later if self medicating is just to run NPP (ie fast acting deca),,
Though the joint support will not be that much faster acting

 

[Gramps]

From what I can tell, deca has approx 20% affect on testosterone or any other hormone action. I started a trial of 120 T plus 100 D last night trying to dial T to around 750 to 1000 between the peak and valley. I wanted to try 120/50 but the jury across all boards leaned more towards the 120/100. I guess I'll know in a few weeks. Thanks, guys, but don't stop here if any of you have more input! I always take notes. I'll be adding exemestane in a few days to drop that 96E2 and I know that will up the T yet again, so here we go all over again. Tune in next week when the topic will be "recovering crashed estradial due to ODing exemestane".

 

[Megatron28]

From what I can tell, deca has approx 20% affect on testosterone or any other hormone action.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by this please -- in terms of someone on exogenous testosterone?

 

[Gramps]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by this please -- in terms of someone on exogenous testosterone?

Not with accuracy at the moment as you caught me with my pants down on this one. I believe it was its affect on estrogen maybe? It might have been its anabolic affects? Whatever the hell it was, being it was only 20% compared to testosterone in whatever aspect I read that in, made it of little importance for my needs so I didn't dig deeper in that regard. Sorry...


Found it at steroid dot com:
"First of all, Deca Durabolin (and Nandrolone in general) doesnt produce many estrogenic or androgenic side effects. This is because Deca Durabolin has a very low rate of aromatization (conversion to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme), roughly equal to 20% the rate of Testosterone."

 

[halfwit]

Not with accuracy at the moment as you caught me with my pants down on this one. I believe it was its affect on estrogen maybe? It might have been its anabolic affects? Whatever the hell it was, being it was only 20% compared to testosterone in whatever aspect I read that in, made it of little importance for my needs so I didn't dig deeper in that regard. Sorry...


Found it at steroid dot com:
"First of all, Deca Durabolin (and Nandrolone in general) doesnt produce many estrogenic or androgenic side effects. This is because Deca Durabolin has a very low rate of aromatization (conversion to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme), roughly equal to 20% the rate of Testosterone."

That just means it converts to estradiol at a rate much less than testosterone. Deca is actually more anabolic than testosterone, but it won't impact anything other than E2 and possibly prolactin.

You will be fine on the exemestane, just don't go taking more than 12.5mg ED. It's actually one of the more forgiving AI's, and should provide great results in a week or so.