Epistane Cycle Plan, Suggestions welcome

[MarkDj]

Im planing to run this cycle and it will be my second cycle so im keeping the dose low to see how it treats me, might tamper up or down along the way.
my first cycle was dbol only and kept it low with no sides. small gains were made and kept so i was happy for first time on the safe side. I used pct.
This is what i have planed out for my next cycle,
I am 182cm 78kg and 12%bf aprox. protein intake will be atleast 250g ed and calories 2000-3000. been an athlete many years but been hiting the gym 3 years and 2 of them very hard.
thats all the info i can think to provide. I would like to hear any suggestions about this cycle as I am always open to peoples opinions and if people are interested i will
Log the cycle on here.

week 1 - 12) NAC 600mg
Milk thistle 1g
Multi Vitamins
Fish oil 3x2g
OPC grape seed extract 200mg --- |
OPC grape skin extract 100mg |
Ginkgo bibola extraxt 10mg |
CoQ10 20mg | one product
red wine extract 10mg | Thats why the extras
bilbery extract 10mg |
Green tea extract 10mg -----------|

Week 3 - 8) Ep-Stane 15/30/30/30/30/30
Dbol 10mg PWO occasionally and only first 3 weeks

Week 9 - 12) Nolvadex 20/15/15/10
D-AA
Kre-Alkalyn PWO
Creatine monohydrate
White Flood or Fierce PWO

Will have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand, arimidex or aromasin

 

[MarkDj]

Must be nothing wrong with the cycle otherwise people would jump to correct me so i will go ahead with it in a couple weeks anyway. was thinking of running m-drol for 6 weeks at 10mg ed but not sure about it. still wondering witch cycle would offer me more gains from the 2.
Any opinions?

 

[noway55]

15 is a really low dose for epi

 

[Get Some]

mark.... epistane is not a cycle, it's a joke

You ran dbol for a first cycle and now you are making a downgrade to epistane? What goals do you even have? Running PHs for a few weeks does NOT constitute a cycle. I wish people would be smarter about things. Running epistane by itself is much worse than running anavar by itself and anavar by itself is a complete joke, lol.

Please please please DO NOT run this cycle and do more research. I promise you will be disappointed if you continue with this, there's no doubt in my mind.

 

[I swear I will wreck you]

Epistane does absolutely nothing for me, I was taking 3-4 caps a day with no results for about 1 and a half months. Having said that I was cutting, but I didn't notice anything even when I dropped the epistane and still carried on cutting I felt no different.

 

[MarkDj]

mark.... epistane is not a cycle, it's a joke

You ran dbol for a first cycle and now you are making a downgrade to epistane? What goals do you even have? Running PHs for a few weeks does NOT constitute a cycle. I wish people would be smarter about things. Running epistane by itself is much worse than running anavar by itself and anavar by itself is a complete joke, lol.

Please please please DO NOT run this cycle and do more research. I promise you will be disappointed if you continue with this, there's no doubt in my mind.

I have M-drol on hand also and dbol, I dont have acces to test as i have recently moved and dont have conections.
wish i could get some test e but there is no chance so i want to make do with more accessible stuff, any ideas?
My overall goal with my body is to gain 5 kilos from where i am and lower by bf to about 8-9 %
from a cycle if i can gain 2 kilos lean muscle i would be very happy

 

[MarkDj]

15 is a really low dose for epi

just first week would be that low, i believe every compound i will run for the first time i should give my body a week of low dosing to get used to it and watc for sides, some people may actualy have an alergic reaction to some things so its better to start low, Having said that, dbol gave me mouth ulcers and it was 100% from that. not saying it was an alergic reaction but that was a side effect it had on me, the only one too.

 

[Big Hungry]

Ive used phs a few times because i was told the it was ok, you should wait and do stuff right. I only did 3-4 weeks at a time once a year also. I kept size some gains but fkd my test levels up. Im 29 and my shit was 358 a month ago, been on clomid and added some nolva to get it right test is up to 430 so far. You should do yourself a favor and listen to the aas guy not the ph oral only guys.

 

[MarkDj]

Ive used phs a few times because i was told the it was ok, you should wait and do stuff right. I only did 3-4 weeks at a time once a year also. I kept size some gains but fkd my test levels up. Im 29 and my shit was 358 a month ago, been on clomid and added some nolva to get it right test is up to 430 so far. You should do yourself a favor and listen to the aas guy not the ph oral only guys.

Do you blame the fact that you did a 1 month cycle of phs a year for your test level being lower than average?
Had you ever tested it before using a ph?
you think that a low dose of epi like i plan would cause damage? some think it would be close to un affective if anything but i have heard people making gains at that dose and of atleast 11 lbs.
maybe running M-drol 10mg and epi 15mg for 5 weeks would be better. still thinking but not going to give up on making my self a cycle just because i cant get test e like i would like,

 

[Big Hungry]

never got it checked before but im pretty sure it was high because of the sex drive i had and its always been easy to gain muscle and loose weight. now shit aint happenen and i was killing it in the gym and seeing minor changes, even upped the chicken and fish still minor. the only other thing that could have contributed was working way too much, like 12 and 14 hour days 6 to 7 days a week. i did put in some major ot for almost a year, still kept up with my training though i could tell something was up then, about a month after i quit working so much i did a month of a ph then that was it for my test levels.

 

[Big Hungry]

where do you live ? maybe you could get a blood test to see where your at from privatelabs

 

[MarkDj]

never got it checked before but im pretty sure it was high because of the sex drive i had and its always been easy to gain muscle and loose weight. now shit aint happenen and i was killing it in the gym and seeing minor changes, even upped the chicken and fish still minor. the only other thing that could have contributed was working way too much, like 12 and 14 hour days 6 to 7 days a week. i did put in some major ot for almost a year, still kept up with my training though i could tell something was up then, about a month after i quit working so much i did a month of a ph then that was it for my test levels.

Working that long would take a ot out of you and would take your body some time to recover, maybe it was a contribution of everything that did that but I dont think its that easy for a ph to shut you down and just from a cycle. Every one is dif though and you never know how your body will react to things till you try it.
I am actually going to the docs now to get liver values checked and T levels, cholesterol, blood sugar and a couple other things.
just want to see how i am before i do my cycle. and i will try to get the same tests done after pct so i can check how my body handled it. Im actually probably going to do M-drol @ 10mg ed cos it seems i will get more out of it and maybe use dbol first three weeks at 10mg and epi last three weeks to finish it up and kill some estro. It all depends on how im feeling on cycle. I have exemestane to use on cycle if i need to keep estro away but only as a precaution.

 

[noway55]

just first week would be that low, i believe every compound i will run for the first time i should give my body a week of low dosing to get used to it and watc for sides, some people may actualy have an alergic reaction to some things so its better to start low, Having said that, dbol gave me mouth ulcers and it was 100% from that. not saying it was an alergic reaction but that was a side effect it had on me, the only one too.

i understand the desire to start low, but it's almost a waste. how many cases do you hear of people being allergic? If you're really that concerned, start at a really dose for a few days then go up to a decent dosage.

just realize that as far as other sides go, you're increasing the dosage from week 1 to 2 by 100%

(also I agree you'd be better off just running test)

 

[MarkDj]

i understand the desire to start low, but it's almost a waste. how many cases do you hear of people being allergic? If you're really that concerned, start at a really dose for a few days then go up to a decent dosage.

just realize that as far as other sides go, you're increasing the dosage from week 1 to 2 by 100%

(also I agree you'd be better off just running test)

yes increasing by 100 % to a amount that is still classed as low. what do you class as a decent dose?
I will just probably run M-drol like i said above, a bit worried about the sides but will just have to see. maybe bump it after 2 weeks to 15mg.
Generaly i like low dosages that are effective and less risk