EQ cycles for women?
- Thread starter Puddles
- Start date
BiggieSwolls
Steelers = SuperBowl
Girlfriend has run it a couple times in the past. 100mg/week and her strength went up enough for her to notice and she definitely put on some lean mass as she held no water from the EQ. Appearantly she is a lucky one as I have seen some women post about uncomfortable water gain while using as little as 50 mg/week.
redsquirrel
New member
My friend did a cycle about a year ago, and wasn't too impressed with it. She DID hold a good amount of water..although not as much as she did on Winny...Her strength was through the roof though...and about the 6th week she wanted to eat everything in site! Post cycle she did hold some water. Her dosage was 50mgs E3D for 6 weeks.
redsquirrel
New member
Oops, forgot to add what sides she had...
Acne on the face and back, and oiliness.
Cracky voice
A tad bit of southern swelling....and nutty sex drive!! LOL
Acne on the face and back, and oiliness.
Cracky voice
A tad bit of southern swelling....and nutty sex drive!! LOL
Puddles
~Nurse~
Thanks for the replies!
One of the reasons I'm considering EQ is to help with my arm. I've heard it's got some good properties regarding tendon repair and growth. I'm wondering if this is a possibility with the lower doses that a woman would do vs. the higher male doseages. Thoughts on this anyone?
The increased appetite would benefit me because I'm rarely hungry and have to force myself to eat for the first half of the day, my metabolism would be a lot better if I'd eat more often. I've had temporary sides from prop. including a cracking voice but they all went away post cycle. Red...did your friend's voice go back to normal or did it stay cracky? I'm a little concerned with sides from EQ since it's a long acting ester unlike prop.
One of the reasons I'm considering EQ is to help with my arm. I've heard it's got some good properties regarding tendon repair and growth. I'm wondering if this is a possibility with the lower doses that a woman would do vs. the higher male doseages. Thoughts on this anyone?
The increased appetite would benefit me because I'm rarely hungry and have to force myself to eat for the first half of the day, my metabolism would be a lot better if I'd eat more often. I've had temporary sides from prop. including a cracking voice but they all went away post cycle. Red...did your friend's voice go back to normal or did it stay cracky? I'm a little concerned with sides from EQ since it's a long acting ester unlike prop.
redsquirrel
New member
MrsPuddlesFL said:
yep, the crackiness subsided post cycle; and with no permanent damage...However, when she ran prop for a mere 4 weeks, her voice dropped permanently...I can't believe you haven't had that happen since Prop is the only thing you've done...LUCKY YOU!! LOL!!!
It may be a longer ester, but the androgenic and virilization is less than Prop. Not too sure about the tendon repair associated with EQ specifically.
chelsea
New member
This is really long. I copied and pasted it from another website because I remembered your thread here as I was reading. It talks about EQ and joints.
originally posted by AnimalMass on competitivemuscle.com
While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) -- the decision is up to you.
originally posted by AnimalMass on competitivemuscle.com
While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) -- the decision is up to you.
Puddles
~Nurse~
I'm seeing all kinds of doseages from women running EQ...anything from 50mg/wk up to 200. Since it takes a few weeks to kick in, I don't want to start too low (and the androgenic propperties are not like prop) I'd like to start on the higher end. I'm thinking of 150-200 mg/wk for 8 weeks mostly to help with tendons and joints, then following with 8 weeks of Anavar (var) while I lean out. What do you think?
BiggieSwolls
Steelers = SuperBowl
MrsPuddlesFL said:
I wouldnt have anjy female start out at more then 100mg/wk but thats just me. Because EQ is long acting, if you start out at 200mg and find that its too much, you wont be able to do anything to cease the side effects because it will still be kicking around your body for a couple weeks.
redsquirrel
New member
BiggieSwolls said:
I totally agree. At most, I think you should start out at 100mgs/wk, then you can always add more to it after that. You could react well to just 100!! I had decent results off of 100 mgs/ wk, and the sides were just bearable but not to extreme! EQ does take 4-5 weeks for you to notice anything, and you will see changes.
Puddles
~Nurse~
Thank you everyone! I'm still a month away from starting my cycle but I'm getting very excited. I really appreciate having you folks guide me with this. I don't find much info on women and eq when I try searches. Based on your suggestions, 100 mg/wk is what I'll start with. I also read the long post above again and it says "Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca." which is about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male, so 100 mg should treat me nicely.
With the prop I preferred glute shots because the few times I did delts they were sore as hell. I know many people complain about sore sites from prop. but how about EQ? Stromba always did my shots but I need to be able to do them myself and glutes aren't exactly convenient.
FG...cardio still makes me ill but I'm doing it more often. It helps when I train with one of my girlfriends because she always includes some cardio in at the end of her training. My diet is really good when I'm on cycle and I'll use dandelion root if I start bloating.
One more question...do women tend to stop getting their periods on EQ? I never skipped mine on prop but they did lighten up, however my normal 5 lb monthly bloat went up to about 10 lbs when on prop but pms bitchiness was nearly gone.
With the prop I preferred glute shots because the few times I did delts they were sore as hell. I know many people complain about sore sites from prop. but how about EQ? Stromba always did my shots but I need to be able to do them myself and glutes aren't exactly convenient.
FG...cardio still makes me ill but I'm doing it more often. It helps when I train with one of my girlfriends because she always includes some cardio in at the end of her training. My diet is really good when I'm on cycle and I'll use dandelion root if I start bloating.
One more question...do women tend to stop getting their periods on EQ? I never skipped mine on prop but they did lighten up, however my normal 5 lb monthly bloat went up to about 10 lbs when on prop but pms bitchiness was nearly gone.
IRONprincess
New member
redsquirrel said:
Ditto redsquirrel!
I started very cautiously...50 mg/week, then after week 4 with no sides, I jumped to 100mg/week.
Almost off now...nice strength and size gain, with minimal sides. I still have joint aches and yes, my inject sites are a lil sore but overall, I've had a better experience on EQ than V. And now that u mentioned it..no sign of aunt flow either.
Bottom line...I'd definitely start @ 100mg/week if I do it again...but everyone reacts so differently so judge accordingly. Good luck..and enjoy
BiggieSwolls
Steelers = SuperBowl
MrsPuddlesFL said:
That aspect seems to be user dependant. I know of women where their period stopped on as little as 10 mg/day of Winstrol (winny). If you still kept your period while using Prop, then its definitely conceivable to think that it may not stop from taking EQ. But there is no guarentee.
