Estrogen Blocker and PCT

[Johnnyreb130]

I am 32, turning 33 real soon. I started my first cycle 9 weeks ago. I took Test E for 7 and then added Tren E. This week (9) I went to Test Cyp and Tren. I am going for a total of 16 weeks. I started at 155 LBS 20% BF. At the end of 8 I was 170 LBS and 18% BF. All of it at 5'5".

All of that to ask, should I start taking an estrogen blocker now (if so what) or should I just wait for my post cycle therapy (pct). I got the rookie nerves about gyno. All help and thought an advice will be appreciated on what I have and am taking as well as the previous question. Thanks!

 

[Johnnyreb130]

Sorry for the double post.

 

[justhav2p]

Tren E for first cycle?

I constantly hear Test E for first cycle.

Plus you started at high BF%.

I do Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for whole cycle. 12.5 mgs liquid stane eod.

If you get sensitive nips, start asap with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI).

All I hear is horrible sides with Tren E, and that is from the vets.

GL

 

[Johnnyreb130]

Thanks Bro! As for my BF that is with the tape, not calipers or water submersion. So with calipers I think I would be closer to 12%.

 

[hatefulONE]

I won't comment about ready to cycle or not, but to me I like to run ai's only if needed, its not like you are going to wake up with bitch tits one day. If you think you are getting too puffy then run it, but since you are halfway through I wouldn't bother starting it, and why run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during pct? I would think the SERM would be more than enough. What do you have lined up for pct?

 

[Johnnyreb130]

Either Nolva or Clomid, doing research on both. Thanks!

 

[Johnnyreb130]

Other than the sweats and increase in irritability:

What are other side effects?

Why is it better for veterans vs rookies?

 

[UserAt204]

So you don't have a pct yet?? Man you are really going about this wrong. Good luck keeping those gains, and get your pct quick.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Tren E for first cycle?

I constantly hear Test E for first cycle.

Plus you started at high BF%.

I do Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for whole cycle. 12.5 mgs liquid stane eod.

If you get sensitive nips, start asap with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI).

All I hear is horrible sides with Tren E, and that is from the vets.

GL

the only thing about liquid stane is if you should start taking it,make sure and take it ed,it only has a 24 hour half life,so once per day is essential in it working correctly

 

[JuicyJuggalo]

Yeah, you should have started your cycle at like 10-12% fat or whatever as lean as you can get before blowing your load and starting. The thing is, testosterone in the male body gets converted to estrogen in our body fat layer just below the skin. So, the more fat one has, the more test will be converted to estrogen theoretically.

I always suggest to run aromasin all thru cycle, everytime, no matter what! And stop the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) when you begin PCT so there's no rebound to deal with after post cycle therapy (pct), when you already used up the SERM which combats this factor.

 

[hatefulONE]

Since you haven't gotten your pct materials yet I would recommend torem for your serm. If you wanted to add anything else otc I would say either resveratrol or daa, but the serm alone will do.

 

[Greens]

Great work.
Ten months ago before my first cycle I was over 30%bf,..after my 12 week cycle and post cycle therapy (pct) I was under 15%bf, and I ran 750mg Sustanon (sust) with Deca and EQ.
If your diet is in check and your workout and post-workout routines(which includes resting) are in check there's no reason why you can't drop a tonne of fat while on cycle. Sure, it would be ideal to start your first cycle as Test-only at 10%bf,..but that's not the reality for most.
Since last September I've run a 12 week cycle + post cycle therapy (pct), a 6 week cycle + post cycle therapy (pct), and am now on week 4 of 12 + post cycle therapy (pct).
By August my goal is to be 220lbs @ under 10% bf, and I'm 6'0".

 

[Bullseye Forever]

im glad i read your post here,i was a little worried about starting my upcoming cycle,right now im around 18-19% bf,6'5 and 270lbs,and im going to try and lose some more bf before i start my cycle in a couple of months,i will be on test,deca and dbol....at 45,its tough with me to lose bf,even when my diet is close to being good enough and i hit cardio ed so im trying,but your post gave me alot to think about in a positive direction

Great work.
Ten months ago before my first cycle I was over 30%bf,..after my 12 week cycle and post cycle therapy (pct) I was under 15%bf, and I ran 750mg Sustanon (sust) with Deca and EQ.
If your diet is in check and your workout and post-workout routines(which includes resting) are in check there's no reason why you can't drop a tonne of fat while on cycle. Sure, it would be ideal to start your first cycle as Test-only at 10%bf,..but that's not the reality for most.
Since last September I've run a 12 week cycle + post cycle therapy (pct), a 6 week cycle + post cycle therapy (pct), and am now on week 4 of 12 + post cycle therapy (pct).
By August my goal is to be 220lbs @ under 10% bf, and I'm 6'0".

 

[tman25]

Shortness of breath, tren cough, tren dick, and the usual acne, hair loss warnings.

 

[hatefulONE]

im glad i read your post here,i was a little worried about starting my upcoming cycle,right now im around 18-19% bf,6'5 and 270lbs,and im going to try and lose some more bf before i start my cycle in a couple of months,i will be on test,deca and dbol....at 45,its tough with me to lose bf,even when my diet is close to being good enough and i hit cardio ed so im trying,but your post gave me alot to think about in a positive direction

That will be a rather wet and bulky cycle, I'd swap out the deca for eq unless you are planning on bulking.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

add anything else otc I would say either resveratrol or daa, but the serm alone will do.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

That will be a rather wet and bulky cycle, I'd swap out the deca for eq unless you are planning on bulking.

i actually cut on deca quite well.

 

[hatefulONE]

i actually cut on deca quite well.

Personally I like test p and eq for my lean bulks, I've never used anabolics during a cut though. Do you run npp or just plane old deca? I've seen some solid cutting results of running npp and test p.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

deca. i ran npp but didnt care for it, think it might have been the lab though. 300mg test and 5-600mg deca and you can cut just fine. yea you will hold some water, but so what, lil water isnt bad.

if EQ made me hungry i dont know if i could cut on it, i eat too damn much already.

deca gives me sick sweats, and ridic pump, could work out for hours if i wanted to, super sets all kind of shit. burn a shit load of cals, and the deca will keep your muscles nice and full.

I think people are scared of deca cause its a "bulking" compound and people run "bulking" diets. then they get bloated, and IMO bloat is completely different from water.

 

[hatefulONE]

deca. i ran npp but didnt care for it, think it might have been the lab though. 300mg test and 5-600mg deca and you can cut just fine. yea you will hold some water, but so what, lil water isnt bad.

if EQ made me hungry i dont know if i could cut on it, i eat too damn much already.

deca gives me sick sweats, and ridic pump, could work out for hours if i wanted to, super sets all kind of shit. burn a shit load of cals, and the deca will keep your muscles nice and full.

I think people are scared of deca cause its a "bulking" compound and people run "bulking" diets. then they get bloated, and IMO bloat is completely different from water.

I agree, I was more concerned about the combo of test, deca, and dbol to cut. Anything that will help with nitrogen retention though will help on a cut. I'm yet to do deca yet, might have to on my next cycle though. EQ didn't make me that hungry to be honest, but I was training for football in college and had 4 days a week conditioning in the am and 4-5 days a week in the gym with weights. So I'm sure the added hunger helped me stave off catabolism more so than put on weight. I do remember hearing that Arnold and Franco loved deca, even had shirts saying I love deca or some shit like that. And supposedly they only used gear during cutting season, right. What do you use for progesterone regulation? Entire cycle or just as needed?