Exfat guy, first cycle please critique!

[SoftReset]

Cycle:
Testosterone Enanthate - 500mg per week(250mg mon/thurs) 1-12 weeks
Oral Turanibol - 75mg ED 1-4 weeks
Exemestane - 12.5mg ED ?
Taurine - 6-9g ED
Milk Thistle - ?

PCT:
Start 7 days after last pin
Clomid - ED 4 weeks 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex - ED 4 weeks 40/40/20/20

Stats:

Height: 5'8 1/2
Age: 27
Weight: 182
BF% - (last time checked I was at 6%, very likely it was higher because of the margin of error for calipers. I assume I'm higher closer to 8-10. Picture attached)
Experience: 5 years
Clomid, Nolvadex and Exemestane are all research chemicals.
Oral Turinabol is from Oxide labs, 50mg tabs.
Currently eating 3K cal. Still dropping weight, will be bumping to 4K-4500K once I begin.

Backstory - Ex fat guy. Tipped scales at 297lbs(287 in pic, attatched below) Lost weight quickly, started to lift, haven't looked back. I don't think I've yet reached my "genetic potential" however, I feel I have enough experience and knowledge to experiment outside the box.

Questions:

1.)When to run Exemestane? From what I understand some people run it from day one, some run it after 2-3 weeks from start of cycle.
2.)Should I bump T-Bol higher and can I run it throughout the cycle, I've seen many people run it for a duration up to 10 weeks. I don't want to go too low; however, from what I gather it's fairly useless if you're under 70mg. I just fear the dreaded "back pumps/shin" etc.
3.)Do I really need both clomid and nolvadex? Most people seem to run just novladex but I have all of the above at my disposal and I've seen it in many beginner cycles.
4.)Do I need Milk Thistle? From what I've seen most mild AAS like Var or T-Bol don't need the additional liver support as It's not that harsh and can actually decrease the half life.
5.)Am I over medicating myself for recovery and prevention?


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Time frame for pics: 3rd qrt 2008@287lbs/1st qrt 2009@168/end of july 2013@182lbs
Thanks guys, I really appreciate any comments, help, critique, etc. I just want to do this right and safely.



- Exfatguy

 

[KingBF]

so how did you lose the 100+ pounds in 6 months?

 

[DreDay187]

Cycle:
Testosterone Enanthate - 500mg per week(250mg mon/thurs) 1-12 weeks
Oral Turanibol - 75mg ED 1-4 weeks
Exemestane - 12.5mg ED ?
Taurine - 6-9g ED
Milk Thistle - ?

PCT:
Start 7 days after last pin
Clomid - ED 4 weeks 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex - ED 4 weeks 40/40/20/20

Stats:

Height: 5'8 1/2
Age: 27
Weight: 182
BF% - (last time checked I was at 6%, very likely it was higher because of the margin of error for calipers. I assume I'm higher closer to 8-10. Picture attached)
Experience: 5 years
Clomid, Nolvadex and Exemestane are all research chemicals.
Oral Turinabol is from Oxide labs, 100mg tabs.
Currently eating 3K cal. Still dropping weight, will be bumping to 4K-4500K once I begin.

Backstory - Ex fat guy. Tipped scales at 297lbs(287 in pic, attatched below) Lost weight quickly, started to lift, haven't looked back. I don't think I've yet reached my "genetic potential" however, I feel I have enough experience and knowledge to experiment outside the box.

Questions:

1.)When to run Exemestane? From what I understand some people run it from day one, some run it after 2-3 weeks from start of cycle.
2.)Should I bump T-Bol higher and can I run it throughout the cycle, I've seen many people run it for a duration up to 10 weeks. I don't want to go too low; however, from what I gather it's fairly useless if you're under 70mg. I just fear the dreaded "back pumps/shin" etc.
3.)Do I really need both clomid and nolvadex? Most people seem to run just novladex but I have all of the above at my disposal and I've seen it in many beginner cycles.
4.)Do I need Milk Thistle? From what I've seen most mild AAS like Var or T-Bol don't need the additional liver support as It's not that harsh and can actually decrease the half life.
5.)Am I over medicating myself for recovery and prevention?


View attachment 552959
Time frame for pics: 3rd qrt 2008@287lbs/1st qrt 2009@168/end of july 2013@182lbs
Thanks guys, I really appreciate any comments, help, critique, etc. I just want to do this right and safely.



- Exfatguy

1) exemestane will take around a week or so to lower estrogen levels. Take it from day one at a mild dose and adjust as necessary by bloodwork.

2) no experience with tbol

3) yes you need both. They each do differen things and the synergistic effect is quite helpful for post cycle therapy (pct).

4) you may not experience much in regards to liver enzyme values going up but milk thistle doesn't do much if anything for liver protection. Look into NAC WHICH HAS a host of other benefits as well besides liver support.

5) over medicating what?

 

[SoftReset]

1) exemestane will take around a week or so to lower estrogen levels. Take it from day one at a mild dose and adjust as necessary by bloodwork.

2) no experience with tbol

3) yes you need both. They each do differen things and the synergistic effect is quite helpful for post cycle therapy (pct).

4) you may not experience much in regards to liver enzyme values going up but milk thistle doesn't do much if anything for liver protection. Look into NAC WHICH HAS a host of other benefits as well besides liver support.

5) over medicating what?

Thanks!

I will definitely do a bit more research into the synergistic effects of the two and run them side by side. I'll be looking into NAC as well--I just used the term over medicating just loosely as in I wanted to make sure everything I was taking and or planning to take wasn't overkill. Seems you answered me spot on though, majority of what I've listed I need and to do a bit more research. Much appreciated!

 

[SoftReset]

so how did you lose the 100+ pounds in 6 months?

I honestly was sick and tired of being sick and tired. Somehow stumbled across raw vegan-ism(which I am not anymore) and through all my shit out of the fridge. Became a very meticulous and healthy eater, only eating raw vegs, nuts, seeds fruits, etc. Much more to it but that's pretty much the gist of it. Now my diet is much more complex and completely opposite, geared towards bodybuilding obviously hah.

Edit: 100lbs in 6 months. The other 30 came off in about 2 more, time frame is a little wonky since it was some years back and I didn't record much--although I do know 100lbs in 6 months.

 

[DreDay187]

Thanks!

I will definitely do a bit more research into the synergistic effects of the two and run them side by side. I'll be looking into NAC as well--I just used the term over medicating just loosely as in I wanted to make sure everything I was taking and or planning to take wasn't overkill. Seems you answered me spot on though, majority of what I've listed I need and to do a bit more research. Much appreciated!

Anytime man. It looks good for the most part and there's always more knowledge to be had in this game. Don't get complacent and always read up. Search for Austinite's supplementation thread which has NAC info for you. Matter of fact look at ALL of his threads, the gentleman is a well of knowledge. Bet of luck and safe cycling . And don't forget to get blood work before, during, and after

 

[SoftReset]

Anytime man. It looks good for the most part and there's always more knowledge to be had in this game. Don't get complacent and always read up. Search for Austinite's supplementation thread which has NAC info for you. Matter of fact look at ALL of his threads, the gentleman is a well of knowledge. Bet of luck and safe cycling . And don't forget to get blood work before, during, and after

It's good to know people on here actually are helpful--since we're all in it for the same(if not close to the same reasons). I have very little experience with any of this but just want to do it smart. Going to head to his threads now. I plan on getting work done before, during and after. What exactly should I be keeping an eye on blood work wise? Cholesterol is an obvious one. I've never had any work done outside of routine check ups but never thought to ask what I should be looking for when I see it myself.

 

[bigkit34]

One other thing bro you need to wait 2 weeks before starting pct 7 days isnt long enough for test e to clear

 

[SoftReset]

One other thing bro you need to wait 2 weeks before starting pct 7 days isnt long enough for test e to clear

Gotcha to 2 weeks from last pin is when I should start my post cycle therapy (pct). I've seen varying timing with different cycles. Would that be because of varying in different test types?

 

[SoftReset]

Bump

Also, does anyone have any experience with Turinabol ? I've seen it commonly run in conjunction with Test Cycles. I figured for my first cycle, to save my sanity from the bloat of something like d-bol I'd go with this, even though it's slower and not nearly as drastic, I've been told it's easier to maintain gains after cycle. I know I'll nab some water retention from the test but not swell up like a beanie baby on d-bol. My fat insecure kid still lurks beneath and I don't want to see too much moonface.

 

[DreDay187]

Good catch Bigkit, I completely missed that.

As to blood work, if you're in the US go to this thread and it'll explain how to get it done cheaply. Basically if lipids are an issue than get them checked for sure, estradiol, LH, FSH, total test, CBC, metabolic panel, etc.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/652231-how-get-accurate-testosterone-level-results.html

The ester length determines half life. The longer the ester, the longer the bad life, the longer duration needed for serum levels to drop so PCT can be effective. Prop is a short ester vs enanthate is a lover ester.

 

[DreDay187]

Oh and forgot to mention, but big congrats on the natty progress you've made! Huge changes and the hardwork is evident brother.

 

[Magical]

Bump

Also, does anyone have any experience with Turinabol ? I've seen it commonly run in conjunction with Test Cycles. I figured for my first cycle, to save my sanity from the bloat of something like d-bol I'd go with this, even though it's slower and not nearly as drastic, I've been told it's easier to maintain gains after cycle. I know I'll nab some water retention from the test but not swell up like a beanie baby on d-bol. My fat insecure kid still lurks beneath and I don't want to see too much moonface.

The more experienced guys are going to tell you to scrap the tbol for your first cycle, go with test only to manage the side effects

 

[SoftReset]

Good catch Bigkit, I completely missed that.

As to blood work, if you're in the US go to this thread and it'll explain how to get it done cheaply. Basically if lipids are an issue than get them checked for sure, estradiol, LH, FSH, total test, CBC, metabolic panel, etc.

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/652231-how-get-accurate-testosterone-level-results.html

The ester length determines half life. The longer the ester, the longer the bad life, the longer duration needed for serum levels to drop so PCT can be effective. Prop is a short ester vs enanthate is a lover ester.

I've always had below normal levels of HDL/LDL for some reason, even when I was at my heaviest of 297 they were still below normal. So I'm not too concerned there; however, still won't hurt to get it done. I'll more than likely go for just the Female H Panel judging from the thread you linked me to.

 

[SoftReset]

Oh and forgot to mention, but big congrats on the natty progress you've made! Huge changes and the hardwork is evident brother.

Much appreciated man! I've been busting my ass to get where I am--It's been quite the journey but no where near over. I was contemplating surgery to help remove a little excess skin around my lower abdominal, as you can see in the pictures...but I figured--If I get big enough, my skin would stretch out again. So I figured I'd wait it out and see

 

[SoftReset]

The more experienced guys are going to tell you to scrap the tbol for your first cycle, go with test only to manage the side effects

I was contemplating that myself and just holding onto the T-Bol for another time. Using as a T-Bol only cycle at a higher dosage. I have 50mg tabs and 100 of them so I have quite a bit at my disposal.

 

[imdennis]

through all my shit out of the fridge.

you threw not through!

 

[SoftReset]

you threw not through!

Wow, I don't know how I missed that, I'm usually the one who over analyzes my posts and re-reads them before submitting on any forum. Hot damn!

Hahah

 

[Magical]

I was contemplating that myself and just holding onto the T-Bol for another time. Using as a T-Bol only cycle at a higher dosage. I have 50mg tabs and 100 of them so I have quite a bit at my disposal.

Definitely save the tbol for later, but read the stickys on "oral only cycles". Not a good idea

 

[DipKing]

Tbol is my oral of choice. I have had great experiences with it, but that's just me. As said I would hold onto it for later. The test alone is going to do wonders, so no need to hype up your first cycle too much when it's really not needed.