Failed PCT - Power PCT attempt - what next?

[markthomson321]

Hello,

I ran a heavy 16 week cycle for a contest i was preparing for, it included Tren A, Test Prop, EQ, Anavar and winstrol.
I did not run HCG during the cycle(foolish i know).
I did HCG 2500mcg every 3.5 days for a month and i took Nolvadex 40mg for 30 days with 100 clomid.

Anyhow, this was around 5-6months ago, i finished pct by the end of June.

I noticed my libido was very low and i had problems getting an erection soI did a checkup on 25th of October, and i got really bad test results:

FSH - 0.1 mIU/mL ..... range: 1.4-15.4
LH - 0.7 mIU/mL ....... range: 1.5-9.3
Total Testosterone - 1.23ng/mL .. range: 1.64-7.53
Free Testosterone - 0.8pg/mL ... range: 1.0-28.30
E2 - 15.1pg/mL ....... range: 10.0-52.0

So i did some reading and some research and i decided to do the Power PCT.

I did:
Power Start oct 25
Day 1-16 HCG 2500 EOD
Day 1-30 Clomid 100mg ED
Day 1-30 Nolvadex 20mg ED

After the 30 days i waited for 3-4 days and i did another blood test and here are the results(today, Nov 29th):

FSH - 1.2mIU/mL ..... range: 1.4-15.4
LH - 3.2mIU/mL ....... range: 1.5-9.3
Total Testosterone - 2.27ng/mL .. range: 1.64-7.53
Free Testosterone - 5.6pg/mL ... range: 1.0-28.30
E2 - 33.5pg/mL ....... range: 10.0-52.0

Most of my values have improved, but im still not satisfied since i had higher numbers normally. And my libido is still dead along with a hard time getting it up. I noticed my E2 Levels have also elevated.

So what do i do now? should i continue with more pct? take more nolva, clomid or HCG? or just wait it out to see how things go?

Thanks
Any help is appreciated.

 

[casanovaaa]

welcome to the boards! how much hcg did you take? can you put it in miligrams please.

 

[markthomson321]

welcome to the boards! how much hcg did you take? why did you do hcg during this pct?

When i did my reading and research the "Power PCT" had hcg, clomid and nolva in it.
I took 2500mcg EOD for 16 days, so total of 20,000mcg

 

[casanovaaa]

plesse detail how heavy your cycle was, what dosages?

 

[markthomson321]

plesse detail how heavy your cycle was, what dosages?

Hello, i took 2500mcg HCG eod for 16 days. so total of 20000mcg.
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my previous cycle i cant really remember it much but it was something like:
week 1-4: 20mg dbol
week 1-8: 500mg EQ, 500 test E
week 8-16: 400 Masteron 400 winstrol 500 test prop
week 8-16: 50mg anavar
adex 1 tab eod

 

[scorob777]

I don't see anything in your cycle that would lead me to believe the PCT you did shouldn't work. I was concerned about the EQ since it takes forever to clear, but you stopped it in week #8 and continued on to week #16, so that's four half lives to clear 500 mg/wk which should have been ok by start of PCT. The 500 mg/wk test E would have had five half lives between weeks #8 to 16. So just very roughly EQ would have gone from 500>250>125>62.5 by start of PCT. Test E 500>250>125>62.5>31.25 by start of PCT. Total for these two 93 mg/wk equivalent still in your blood stream, i.e. you were 100% shut down from your week's 1 to 8 drugs when you started PCT, then over the next 30 days this would have dropped to less than 20 mg/wk equivalent. Your body produces about 100 mg/wk equivalent to test cyp (70 mg/wk test no ester) - so consider yourself 20% shutdown at end of PCT from the long esters. Somewhat of a concern, but probably ok for most people.

For weeks 8 to 16 I'm assuming the mast was prop, winstrol is very short half life, and test is prop - so again those should be clear of your system quickly. Prop has a half life of 2 to 3.5 days, let's pick 3.5 days to be conservative. So your mast + test starts at 900 mg/wk, over your 30 days PCT you have eight half lives 900>450>225>112.5>56.25>28.125>14>7.

So emerging at the end of PCT you still have 20 is mg/wk long esters and 7 mg/wk short ester in your body, i.e. about 30% shutdown. Would have been better to have a gap between last shot and start of PCT of say 2 weeks, and better again to run PCT 5 or 6 weeks. That would have had you emerging on the other side with virtually zero exogenous hormones, giving you the best chance to recover.

One other comment on your PCT, usually people take HCG on cycle and in the gap leading up to PCT, then stop. Sounds to me like you took HCG during the PCT. Perhaps that had a negative effect.

Your second PCT should have done the trick, since you would not have any exogenous hormones to partially shut you down.

Finally, the low LH and FSH would seem to indicate that your hypothalamus or pituitary are to blame. So HCG doesn't come into play here. Getting those spurred back into gear should just take the clomid and nolva.

 

[markthomson321]

Hello, thank you very much for taking your time to give me such a detailed response. Sorry for the late reply, i only saw it now.
So regarding the HCG during cycling or during pct, yeah i know i should have done my hcg during the cycle, but somehow i didnt.
I did another blood test yesterday and here were the results:

FSH - 0.9miU/ml range-- 1.4-15.4
LH - 3.5mIU/ml range-- 1.5-9.3
Testosterone free 5.90pg/ml range 1.0-28.30
Testosterone total 2.36pg/ml range 1.64-7.53
E2 - 12.6 range 10.0-52.0

This is 1 week post my power pct attempt,
and the previous test was done on day 30 out of the 40day pct.

The thing is, i think my results are getting better, but it seems my libido is dead.. it seems like i dont want to have sex and usually hard to get it up mostly.
What shall i do?

Cheers

 

[scorob777]

There is something odd in your units. Free test 5.9 pg/ml showing a range of 1.0 to 28.3. See this chart below

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Free test 5.9 pg/ml is 5.9 ng/l is 0.59 ng/dl. According to this chart you are off the bottom on the range shown on the chart, and 1.0 to 28.3 doesn't jive with this chart.

Total test 2.35 pg/ml is 2.35 ng/l is 0.235 ng/dl, again off the bottom of the chart and range doesn't match. So are you sure about those units?

The main thing I'd be concerned about is the low FSH and LH. If you believe those test ranges on your report, you are at the bottom end, so LH and FSH should be much higher. If you can't sort that out then you are secondary hypogonadal, and TRT is in your future.