First Cycle Advice~

[Zester]

Hello everybody,
First time poster, long time follower here.
I***8217;ve finally managed to get my life in a stable situation where I can begin to use some gear. I***8217;ve been weightlifting for about 4 years now (being more regular in the last two).
Currently, I***8217;m about 5***8217;11***8221;, 190lb. I fluctuate from 170-185lb naturally in a semester (college student, bio major).

As this will be my first cycle, I***8217;d like some feedback from what you guys think of the following 15 week cycle. The Sustanon will be once a week and I***8217;ll give myself a month to monitor adverse effects. Before I begin, I***8217;m also going to get blood-work done so I have a baseline. The Anavar will kick in on the 4th week, into the week before PCT. Sustanon will be tapered off, and will have the last injection 2 weeks before post cycle therapy (pct) (which is the 10th week). Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will be every other day from the 6th week and 4 weeks into the post cycle therapy (pct) (13th week). You can see the basic rundown below.

Week Sustanon Anavar ED HCG EOD Clomid ED Nolvadex ED
1 375mg
2 375mg
3 375mg
4 375mg 50mg
5 375mg 50mg
6 375mg 50mg 500iu
7 300mg 50mg 500iu 20mg
8 250mg 50mg 500iu 20mg
9 50mg 500iu 20mg
10 750iu 50mg 20mg Begin PCT
11 750iu 40mg
12 500iu 30mg
13 375iu 20mg
14 20mg
15 20mg

Edit: Looks weird, so I posted a picture of the cycle.
View attachment 547697

My workout will consist of multiple rounds of a 9-day cycle.
Day 1 = Squat (so legs)
Day 2 = Light upper body.
Day 3 = Pull (chest/back; BB Row, Flat Bench DB Row, Lat Pulldown, etc.)
Day 4 = Rest Day.
Day 5 = Lift (Deadlift, leg curl, glutes)
Day 6 = Light legs.
Day 7 = Press (Bench press, military DB press, dips, etc.)
Day 8 = Light core/or rest.
Day 9 = Repeat Day 1.
The next round would begin with Pull, the round after would be Lift, etc.
My targeted diet will be 2g/lb : 1g/lb : 0.5g/lb protein:carbs:fat
Obviously made up of lean chicken breast, tuna, brown rice, green leafy vegetables, whey, etc. I already take Omega 3 and daily vitamin supplements.

Once I get some advice on how to pin, where to get a kit, and feedback on this cycle, I'll probably start within two weeks.

Cheers!

 

[sLd]

wow, well make sure u get some AI, nolva is not enough. not sure why do u want to start to run nolva in week 7?

Just start nolva in your post cycle therapy (pct) with clomid at the same time.
like clomid: 100/100/50/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20/20

about the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you can either run it through out the cycle and stop before you do your post cycle therapy (pct) OR blast it after your last pin and then stop before you start your pct. but do not run it with clomid and nolva in your PCT.

 

[Zester]

Oh, I see. I had conflicting annecdotes about when to start SERM.
I'm guessing that it needs to be done in the time frame after the test esters have expired, so about 2 weeks after the last pin. But in that two week period would be when you (if you decided to blast) would use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG).
Is there any evidence as to whether which method is superior (blasting vs. sustained Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout the cycle?)
Also, is clomid an interchangeable Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with arimidex?

 

[Nightmare007]

Oh, I see. I had conflicting annecdotes about when to start SERM.
I'm guessing that it needs to be done in the time frame after the test esters have expired, so about 2 weeks after the last pin. But in that two week period would be when you (if you decided to blast) would use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG).
Is there any evidence as to whether which method is superior (blasting vs. sustained Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout the cycle?)
Also, is clomid an interchangeable Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with arimidex?

Bro try this

Sustanon 375mg eod 12 weeks
Anavar 50mg ed last 8 weeks
Hcg 500iu every 4 days
Aromasin 12.5mg ed 14 weeks
Now for the last 10 days prior to post cycle therapy (pct) blast Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 1000iu ed 10 days
PCT
2 weeks after last pin
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20


Note: clomid is a serm not an AI
U use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle to prevent testicular atrophy and blast before post cycle therapy (pct) to giv it the extra push

 

[Nightmare007]

Oh, I see. I had conflicting annecdotes about when to start SERM.
I'm guessing that it needs to be done in the time frame after the test esters have expired, so about 2 weeks after the last pin. But in that two week period would be when you (if you decided to blast) would use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG).
Is there any evidence as to whether which method is superior (blasting vs. sustained Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout the cycle?)
Also, is clomid an interchangeable Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with arimidex?

Bro try this

Sustanon 375mg eod 12 weeks
Anavar 50mg ed last 8 weeks
Hcg 500iu every 4 days
Aromasin 12.5mg ed 14 weeks
Now for the last 10 days prior to post cycle therapy (pct) blast Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 1000iu ed 10 days
PCT
2 weeks after last pin
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20


Note: clomid is a serm not an AI
U use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle to prevent testicular atrophy and blast before post cycle therapy (pct) to giv it the extra push
I'd recommend using test e instead of sustanon for your first cycle as Sustanon (sust) gives badass pips
If you can get test e then use it at 600mg for 12 weeks the rest is pretty much the same except wait 23 days before your pct

 

[hardtarget]

You NEED an Anti Estrogen..

 

[ScottyB28]

You NEED an Anti Estrogen..

Dude what's up with your CAPS on certain words? I notice you do it in EVERY post.

 

[Zester]

Bro try this

Sustanon 375mg eod 12 weeks
Anavar 50mg ed last 8 weeks
Hcg 500iu every 4 days
Aromasin 12.5mg ed 14 weeks
Now for the last 10 days prior to post cycle therapy (pct) blast Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 1000iu ed 10 days
post cycle therapy (pct)
2 weeks after last pin
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20


Note: clomid is a serm not an AI
U use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle to prevent testicular atrophy and blast before post cycle therapy (pct) to giv it the extra push
I'd recommend using test e instead of sustanon for your first cycle as Sustanon (sust) gives badass pips
If you can get test e then use it at 600mg for 12 weeks the rest is pretty much the same except wait 23 days before your post cycle therapy (pct)

Thanks for the advice so far, ya'll.
Nightmare007, What did you mean by "sust gives badass pips".

Few more questions.
- Is the Aromasin the anti-estrogen, since it's preventing the aromatization of test to estro?
- Is it actually safe to do Sustanon EOD even though it's primarily long-chain esters?
- Since Clomid and Nolvadex are both SERMs, are they just targeting different receptors?

And this might be more off topic, but does the use of an anti-estrogen help prevent side effects like hair loss? Even though I've checked both sides of my family, and there is no pattern of baldness in males or females, still wanted to rule out any confounding variables. If an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) won't help, are there any compounds out there that would help prevent any possible hairloss?

 

[Nightmare007]

Thanks for the advice so far, ya'll.
Nightmare007, What did you mean by "sust gives badass pips".

Few more questions.
- Is the Aromasin the anti-estrogen, since it's preventing the aromatization of test to estro?
- Is it actually safe to do Sustanon EOD even though it's primarily long-chain esters?
- Since Clomid and Nolvadex are both SERMs, are they just targeting different receptors?

And this might be more off topic, but does the use of an anti-estrogen help prevent side effects like hair loss? Even though I've checked both sides of my family, and there is no pattern of baldness in males or females, still wanted to rule out any confounding variables. If an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) won't help, are there any compounds out there that would help prevent any possible hairloss?

when i say "pip" i mean post injection pain its really bad with sustanon

aromasin is an aromatase inhibitor
which inhibits aromatase which aromatises test to estro


again using sustanon will give you unstable levels of test so better to use eth or cyp if possible


yes clomid and nolvadex are both serms and the basic idea behind using them for your pct is increase your bodys natural testosterone production to normal levels

no anti estrogens wont prevent sides like hair loss which are androgenic to combat hairloss and other androgen sides by addition of a compound like propecia which prevents conversion to DHT

but an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is ALWAYS necessary when using compounds that convert to estrogen

from the looks of your questions it seems like you need to do more research so do that before starting your cycle and also your overall calorie and protein intake must be A LOT more than normal when cycling

 

[Zester]

Hey all,
Finally got all my gear together and everything.
Started my first pin today, 250mg E4D. Did it in the glute, that was nerve wracking. I think I probably left a bit in the syringe needle and a little drop came out of the injection site with a bit of blood, but other than that, no PIP. I'm guessing now it'll take ~5 weeks to build up in the system?
Anyway, also went out and got blood work earlier in the day, for every hormone imaginable to get a baseline. Already did one a few weeks ago for Free T, and that was actually almost near the bottom range, which was bad, so will try to pursue legit TRT.

Anyway, updated my cycle. The 11th week is the last pin, and when I begin HCG ED, till the 13th week, and then that week I begin the Clomid and Nova 3 days later up until the 16th week (or 17th if it's needed).
Thoughts?

Cycle is attached.
View attachment 548229

 

[MattyIce]

dude... you dont need Aromatase inhibitor (AI) ed... just as needed, you gonna crash if you ed...

 

[Zester]

dude... you dont need Aromatase inhibitor (AI) ed... just as needed, you gonna crash if you ed...

Oops, It should have read E4D (Every 4 Days). Think I neglected that change when I played around with the spreadsheet.
But, yeah, someone said to still keep up an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) just to manage estrogen levels, and keep them to a healthy minimum since there will be so much Test which will be aromatizing anyway.

Also, quick question. When people say PIP, do they mean like immediate post pinning pain? Since I had non, but like the area where I pinned on my glute feels sore, kind of like when I got a tetanus shot in my arm. I assume that's normal, after all you actually penetrate into muscle (Which needs to heal itself).?