First Cycle ever

[Newbsrus]

My kit includes:
4 tubes of testosterone propinate with 200mg per ml.
50 pills of tamoxifen citrate
liquid clomi rui
liquid letro rui

When should I take the letro? At night or during the day? Does it matter when? Also should I take it with food? I think someone should make a sticky.

If I use .25 ED if I do feel gynecomastia how much should I increase the dose by?

Also someone said gynecomastia is determined by puffy nipples but, I have a flat chest but my nipples are a little puffy since puberty. So is there another way to know if gynecomastia is coming on?

Also when is the best time to inject the steroids should you do it at night so you don't move a lot or pre- gym or morning? I looked through the stickies and tried google but got nothing.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

My kit includes:
4 tubes of testosterone propinate with 200mg per ml.
50 pills of tamoxifen citrate
liquid clomi rui
liquid letro rui

When should I take the letro? At night or during the day? Does it matter when? Also should I take it with food? I think someone should make a sticky.

If I use .25 ED if I do feel gynecomastia how much should I increase the dose by?

Also someone said gynecomastia is determined by puffy nipples but, I have a flat chest but my nipples are a little puffy since puberty. So is there another way to know if gynecomastia is coming on?

Also when is the best time to inject the steroids should you do it at night so you don't move a lot or pre- gym or morning? I looked through the stickies and tried google but got nothing.

I have no idea about the letro, but gyno can also cause soreness and itchiness.

Actually would like to bump on letro and if there is a best time to inject.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Bump!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

you will prolly be at peak levels in 18-24 hours. its not that big of a deal though, i do not worry about this at all. Hopefully by doing the correct pinning schedule you have pretty stable levels so your always growing.

as far as letro for preventitive measures, you shouldnt need more than 1.25mg E3D and some people get by on half that dose.

everyone is different, its all about finding what works for you, we can only give guidlines and schedules that have worked for us.

it doesnt matter what you inject, within an hour some of the hormone is being released into your blood stream.

when injecting AAS levels peak with 24 hours. and then follow a slow steady decline curve

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Thanks on behalf of OP and myself Det Oak your an asset to the community.

 

[RA64]

I have read this post from the beginning, and all the guys have been really kind to you.

IMHO (in my honest opinion) you are not ready to start this cycle, you need to do more research.

 

[Newbsrus]

I am in no rush to start use. I am going to do all my research and ask all my questions before I even think of starting. I have read all the stickies in the article database. Some of the technical details from case studies were hard for me to understand but, my wife helped me sort it out. The argument of clomid versus nolva seemed inconclusive to me but their were more case studies regarding clomid's ability to stimulate LH. I also read about the HCG at 500iu's but, as i can't get my hands on any this does not apply. I agree at the start of the thread I was very green but, I have literally been up all night reading the articles. I even printed some out so I have them on hand in the event I forget something and don't have computer access.

So I understand the following:
Prop Dosing
AI Dosing (read the article about how nolva should be used for gyno and letro used as prevention)
PCT (Going straight clomid)
OTC's (read the joint article and have my shopping list)
Side effects (already using propecia and nizoral, never had a temper but, my wife will keep me in check if i get moody, acne is not an issue my brother in law is dermatologist)
Injection technique (StoneCold's Post about not aspirating hard was really important I think)

Is there anything I am missing? I just want to make sure i have covered all the bases.

 

[Newbsrus]

If I am still a stupid greenhorn please tell me I would rather be called names then mess up with this cycle.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

If you really did read all the stickies and it seems you did read a few at least your probably way better off. As for if your ready I am going to let a more experienced member comment. As far as I can tell you have your bases covered but, I would wait to hear from a more experienced member.

 

[RA64]

I have not heard that it hurts. Is there any way to tell whether the hurt is normal or abnormal? I assume if it is abnormal their will be inflammation and a red, hot to the touch lump right. Is the normal hurt just like soreness then? Will it feel like a bruise?

If your prop is 200mg/ml it is going to hurt.

Where on your body are you going to start pinning?
What size needles and syringes do you have?
Do you intend to aspirate before you inject?

 

[Newbsrus]

If your prop is 200mg/ml it is going to hurt.

Where on your body are you going to start pinning?
What size needles and syringes do you have?
Do you intend to aspirate before you inject?

Wow this quote thing is cool.

By pinning I am assuming you mean intramuscular injections? I could not find anything in these forums so I found another site that showed how to inject IM. I am going to start with thighs because I will be able to see what I am doing and get the hang of it. My wife is familiar with injections to so that will help.

Basically:
Right thigh
Left thigh
Right glute
Left glute
Right deltoid
Left Deltoid
Right Chest
Left Chest

Mr. Humdiddly told me to read a post by italianSPO about usig slin pins. So I will use those for chest. I also got 25g 1 inch needles and 22g 1.5g needles and 3cc syringes from Target. Again thanks Humdiddly.

As for aspirating i most definately do intend to aspirate. I read a sticky by Stonecold that had a guy who shot in the vein and could have had a heart attack. Also read about not pulling plunger back to hard or it could cause negative pressure and no blood would be sucked up even in a vein. Also read about how once you aspirate do not ever move the needle around or you could end up in a vein. Last but not least I read about always keep a little bit of needle above skin in case it breaks.

I know I can be wordy and I am sorry if I bore you with my posts. I just don't want to miss anything and regret it later.

 

[RA64]

Good job researching, you have done more than most first timers do.

 

[Newbsrus]

I also ordered some oil based b-12. I am going to do a .5cc of b-12 with a .5cc of prop.

Glad I read the article about abbreviations!

I will draw with a 18 gauge needle and then switch out to a smaller needle. 25g for delts, 22g for thighs and glutes, slin needles for chest.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

just use the 25 every where, no need to inject with the 22's. those are too big IMO.

you can use those to draw if you run out of 18's

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Sounds like your ready to go any idea when your gonna start? Throw a post up in My cycles forum so we can stay posted. Plus if you have probs midcycle peeps can offer help. Before and after pics are nice too. I read the articles here too (not all of them tbh) and I did not see any mention of clomid's effect on emotions. Some people get emotional on the clomid, so just be aware.

 

[Newbsrus]

I am only using the 22g because it is 1.5 inch versus the 25 is 1inch. I read for glute and thigh injections 1.5 inch is recommended.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

1.5 is recommended. but if you dont have much fat there it wont be a big deal. 22 gauge is a harpoon to me, i never go bigger than 25. sometimes i will do 23 if its all i got. the 22's wont hurt you they are just big IMO.

glutes only woth those i wouldnt stik them anywhere else

 

[MightyMouse9999]

I took Italian SPO's advice with the slin pins. They hold 1cc and can't feel a thing. Just pin an area with little bodyfat; delts, thighs, chest.... Works well and prevents scar tissue