First Cycle - Helladrol > Input please :)

[Noob84]

K, found some time to go over this.
Basically, instead of getting the Helladrol stack, it makes more sense to buy the post cycle stack and add the needed stuff.
Looks like this can be all purchased through 2 stores- N2BM and MRsupps.
Anyone have a coupon code for these?

Here's the shopping list:
N2guard - 2 bottles - 420 pills

Forged Joint Repair - 2 bottles - 120 pills
Helladrol - 1 bottle - 180 pills
Taurine (400g) - 1 bottle - 80 servings @ 5 g
Creatine (400g) - 1 bottle - 80 servings @ 5 g
Test Infusion - 1 bottle - 180 pills
Forma Stanzol - 1 bottle - ??? pumps
Premium Powders DAA Powder - 1 bottle - 90 servings 3g
Forged Post Cycle - 2 bottles - 150 pills



1-6 Helladrol - 75 / 75 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100 (3*7 *2 + 4*7 *4) = 154 pills
1-6 N2 guard - 7 pills at night (294 pills)
1-6 5g Taurine (42 servings)
1-10 Forged Joint Repair - Dosage suggestions please!
1-10 Creatine - 1 serving (70 servings)

7-10 Forged Post Cycle - 4 a day = 112 pills
3-10 Forma Stanzol - 6 - 10 pumps a day = 294 - 490 pumps - HOW MANY BOTTLES?!?
7-10 Test Infusion - 6 a day (126 pills)
7-12 Premium Powders DAA - 1 serving (42 servings)

Phew.
That was a lot of freaking typing. haha
So, what's the word?

A member suggested that I posted in the wrong section (my cycle) and that I would get a lot more feedback here. So worth a try, right?
Thanks

/edit: In case others are researching this supplement as well, here's the original thread that already has some good info in it.
steroidology.com/forum/my-steroid-cycle-forum/662724-helladrol-1st-cycle-comments-please.html#post3461469

 

[Pinwheel]

Currently doing helladrol cycle while I wait for my real test to get here in a few weeks...gonna end up using the helladrol as a kickstart. Here is my input:

Start with 100g of helladrol, 75 won't do a thing.
Personally, I need at least 15g of taurine to combat the back pumps.
Not sure what the test infusion is for, seems like the reps sold you on that.
You don't need forma stanzol, h-drol doesnt aromatise so an AI is just them making more money off of you.

Currently in week 3 and experiencing the sides...I don't think its worth it at the moment for the mediocre gains I've gotten. Like I was told and ignored,try and get the real thing instead.

 

[Noob84]

Thanks.
What kind of sides?
And what kind of gain?
There seem to be a lot of people on here using Helladrol, but except for one thread I couldn't find anyone reporting their gains...

 

[Noob84]

For what it's worth:

4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol (Halovar)
A clone of Halodrol (4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3b,17b-diol)

Halodrol is a 17aa steroid that converts to the steroid oral Turinabol after interaction with 3b-HSD at an estimated rate of about 5%. Because of this low conversion, doses must be higher than other 17aa pro-steroids. However, it is suspected that Halodrol has decent potency without conversion as good results are seen despite the relatively low conversion to Turinabol. Halodrol appears to be about as potent as testosterone, and significantly less androgenic.

Because of the 4-chloro group, halodrol has no progestational effects, it cannot interact with the aromatase enzyme, and it produces inactive 4-chloro-DHT metabolites. This makes androgenic side-effects such as hair loss, high blood pressure, acne and prostate enlargement less likely.

The lack of androgenic potency might be expected to create problems with gyno, however the low SHBG binding affinity has minimal interference with SHBG levels and/or freely circuiting estrogen and testosterone. It does not appear that halodrol has a significant gyno risk.

Because halodrol must be used at such a high dose to see noticeable effects, liver toxicity may become an issue. Therefore it is recommended to use a liver protecting supplement before and during halodrol cycles.

Gains from Halodrol generally take a few weeks to notice, but users can expect solid increases in strength, lean muscle mass, improved vascularity and minimal water retention. This allows some of the gains to be kept after the cycle if good diet and training are continued. Quick dramatic gains in size and strength are not generally noticed with Halodrol.

H-Drol is one of the most popular and proven compounds on the market and is considered good for beginners due to it's reputation for minimal side effects and dry gains that are relatively easy to maintain after the cycle is complete.

 

[Teutonic]

wow what he said ^^^^ with a test base of course or ?

 

[Noob84]

I just googled the active ingredient in Helladrol. LOL
Still looking for more info.

Any accounts of actual users?

Gains? Sides? Etc...

 

[barnzy7]

I havent seen any actual logs other than my own lol..btw, Im no rep. I wasnt selling you on anything

 

[Noob84]

For the record, I didn't say that

Barnzy, what were your gains thus far?

 

[barnzy7]

For the record, I didn't say that

Barnzy, what were your gains thus far?

I have before pics, Ill try to take some recent ones tomorrow or something.
Weight gain is 15lbs or so.

Deadlift started at 500x4 hard reps to 530x4 easy.
Dont really have anything good to judge by benching but id say 275x5 to 315x5
Legs have increased weights and size all around. Stamina to bang out reps is really where it shines. After I set of 315 I have no problem banging out 17-20 reps of 225.

Does it stack up to a good solid AAS run? probably not, but for a 6 week stint, theres nothing wrong with it. Its fun, good gains, and as safe as any other cycle with proper supporting supps.

 

[Teutonic]

good numbers there man ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you young bucks....

 

[Noob84]

Good info.
I'm torn on what to do though.
So many accounts of people saying that PHs are the worst thing ever.
From what I've seen so far, Helladrol really isn't a pro-hormone. It's an actual Steroid.
So how is using this for 6 weeks with liver support worse, than using the real thing?
Don't get it.

 

[Noob84]

Been reading a lot more.

These guys are selling Helladrol (H-Drol) under a different name.
Price is obnoxious, but what's intersting, is that they make no mention of PCT and suggest a 8week on 4 week off cycle?!?

houseofmuscle.com/4chlorodiol.html



Read a fascinating article here:
predatornutrition.com/en/content/prohormones-a-comprehensive-guide-to-prohormones-updated/

Also, what Barnzy7 reported falls in line with almost all Halodrol / h-Drol / Helladrol / Turinabol articles I found.
Results start kicking in after week 3. I must have read 30 articles about this stuff and they pretty much all state something along the lines of a 10-20 lbs gain.
Also, it's low risk for gyno and almost no water retention.
So yeah, other stuff might gain more, but this is supposed to make LEAN gain, meaning it actually sicks around.

One actual user write up I found, stated the guy gained 10 lbs, and after everything was said and done kept 8.
That's 80% retention.

All sources agree that sides are minimal, back pumps can be combated with Taurine...
Looks like a winner to me.
This isn't a pro-hormone. It's a pro-steroid. The Germans won the olympics on this stuff. How bad can it be? lol

 

[simply_michael]

following u bro .. funny I got a bottle of Havoc by prima force I found in a box .. been contemplating on what to do with it . unopened of course

 

[Noob84]

You swallow it...

 

[Noob84]

Any more input on this?
Need to get ready to order.
Also, if anyone has got coupon codes, let me know please.

Thanks

 

[Pinwheel]

Sorry, I've been away.

Back pumps suck, I personally need 20g of taurine to combat them.
I notice slight testicular discomfort, but nothing bad.
Felt my heart pounding at night in week 2, started taking milk thistle and it subsided.

Now for the good stuff.

Week 3 and I'm up about 12lbs with only 1-2%bf increase on my bulk.
ALL of my lifts and reps have been going up steadily. Hit 315*5 on my deadlift for the first time yesterday and banged out 225*5 on my bench for the first time 2 days ago. People at my gym are asking me if I'm juicing since the gains are becoming so noticeable. And...my fucking pants look like skinny jeans cause the thighs are so tight lol.

 

[apertur379]

Been reading a lot more.

These guys are selling Helladrol (H-Drol) under a different name.
Price is obnoxious, but what's intersting, is that they make no mention of PCT and suggest a 8week on 4 week off cycle?!?

houseofmuscle.com/4chlorodiol.html



Read a fascinating article here:
predatornutrition.com/en/content/prohormones-a-comprehensive-guide-to-prohormones-updated/

Also, what Barnzy7 reported falls in line with almost all Halodrol / h-Drol / Helladrol / Turinabol articles I found.
Results start kicking in after week 3. I must have read 30 articles about this stuff and they pretty much all state something along the lines of a 10-20 lbs gain.
Also, it's low risk for gyno and almost no water retention.
So yeah, other stuff might gain more, but this is supposed to make LEAN gain, meaning it actually sicks around.

One actual user write up I found, stated the guy gained 10 lbs, and after everything was said and done kept 8.
That's 80% retention.

All sources agree that sides are minimal, back pumps can be combated with Taurine...
Looks like a winner to me.
This isn't a pro-hormone. It's a pro-steroid. The Germans won the olympics on this stuff. How bad can it be? lol

I've used, Helladrol with a test base, decent gains and they are keepable. You still need to followup with a clomid/nolva pct as it does shut you down.

Helladrol at least from what I'm aware of is no longer made by Mr Supps( I believe they were/are a board sponsor here)

 

[Noob84]

Sorry, I've been away.

Back pumps suck, I personally need 20g of taurine to combat them.
I notice slight testicular discomfort, but nothing bad.
Felt my heart pounding at night in week 2, started taking milk thistle and it subsided.

Now for the good stuff.

Week 3 and I'm up about 12lbs with only 1-2%bf increase on my bulk.
ALL of my lifts and reps have been going up steadily. Hit 315*5 on my deadlift for the first time yesterday and banged out 225*5 on my bench for the first time 2 days ago. People at my gym are asking me if I'm juicing since the gains are becoming so noticeable. And...my fucking pants look like skinny jeans cause the thighs are so tight lol.

That is awesome to hear!
How are the sides other than what you mentioned? Aggression, Acne etc.

I've used, Helladrol with a test base, decent gains and they are keepable. You still need to followup with a clomid/nolva pct as it does shut you down.

Helladrol at least from what I'm aware of is no longer made by Mr Supps( I believe they were/are a board sponsor here)

Will the PCT I have laid out in my plan in post one not suffice?
And MRsupps still sells Hella. Not sure if they make it though.

 

[Pinwheel]

I'm running 100mg/day. 2 pills am, 2 in the pm. A few times if I haven't drank enough water I feel pressure behind my eyes. I usually don't have acne at all, but I recently started getting a pimple or two at a time on my face, none anywhere else. I have a temper...usually when I drive...its still there lol. Can't think of anything else. My libido is a little down, though everything still works just fine though.

 

[Noob84]

K, so about the PCT again, what I have not good enough?
That's pretty much the full portfolio that the guys that sell Helladrol offer. One would think they'd know...
I hope. lol