First cycle help test and anavr
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Hey guys update for today.. still trying to sort out the lab thing. Found a place to donate blood well on cycle.
Ordered my AI and PCT gear today, so only stuff left to order now is supplements/herbals and pins.
I did have a question about running a kick start - would it be okay to run a little test prop EOD well I wait for the test-e to kick in? Like from weeks 1-3 or 1-4? Or would front loading the test at 1000mg the first week get me moving quick? If I added the prop EOD I'm guessing I could run the cycle for 10 weeks versus the 12 since the prop would kick in within a few days.
Ordered my AI and PCT gear today, so only stuff left to order now is supplements/herbals and pins.
I did have a question about running a kick start - would it be okay to run a little test prop EOD well I wait for the test-e to kick in? Like from weeks 1-3 or 1-4? Or would front loading the test at 1000mg the first week get me moving quick? If I added the prop EOD I'm guessing I could run the cycle for 10 weeks versus the 12 since the prop would kick in within a few days.
bigben66
New member
What part of KEEP YOUR CYCLE SIMPLE don't you understand!!!??
It's your 1st proper fucking cycle man, why do you need to frontload? Why do you need to switch esters mid-cycle?
Quite simple.... you DON'T!!!
You will grow like a weed on the cycle I laid out for you... provided your nutrition is dialed in and your training is intense and appropriate!
Okay fair enough and thanks for the reply, I do however notice there is a lot of variables across different folks or different forums as to what the "standard" is.
I had read on another popular board that it is acceptable to run the prop for the first weeks as it's test, and the test-e doesn't fully kick in until week 4-5. That is why I decided to ask here, never said I was going to do it and I don't really want to pin that often anyway to start, only curious of the take on it here.
I do have a question that I haven't been able to find an answer too... is it acceptable to go below a 1k calorie deficit well on cycle? Curious of how far you can go without being super catabolic or damage/slow your metabolism. My basic diet is fair but I will likely go thru 3J for this run.
soldier74
avi changes as i do
Don't mind the way Big Ben comes across:
He Only tries to steer guys in the right direction..and he knows his shit!! I think he may have been a drill sergeant in a past life...lol
Good luck! You got a lot of great feedback to go on.
Don't mind the way Big Ben comes across:
I think he may have been a drill sergeant in a past life...lol
Good luck! You got a lot of great feedback to go on.
Thanks brother I appreciate it! I miss the service at times.. but now that I'm retired and I don't have to work I have so much more time to focus on this and most of all my diet. I can cook multiple times a day, and am in the house a lot so it's easy to control what I'm eating versus when I was active duty on Fort Hood or deployed in Iraq.
I'm going to follow what bigben says! I'll keep my guidance to one forum only and that will be here.
I picked up some of the supplements from the FAQ section today, the fish oil (had been using flax previously), CoQ10, ordered the NAC online and also picked up milk thistle just because. I decided to grab garlic and l-arginine as well, I had read on Pub Med studies that garlic had been great for blood pressure and supporting healthy lipid profiles. I wanted to get all the supplements here now and start them 2 months prior to starting the cycle so I know they're in my system well.
Again thanks for all the help guys, It's really appreciated!!
oldmusclemike
Well-known member
Ya know I just read this thread and I have to tell you Bigben is so right on. I think it's funny the way he got on you, but before I read his thing I said WTF are you thinking here.
In most everything we do in life Simple is what works... So Simple Simon says ......
hah!
All the switching up will do NOTHING added for you
In most everything we do in life Simple is what works... So Simple Simon says ......
hah! All the switching up will do NOTHING added for you
bigben66
New member
Hey buddy, sorry if I came across harsh yesterday, no maliciousness intended...
I'm 7 weeks out from a show now, running a few compounds (Tren being one of them) and I need to keep my temper on a leash. Which is easier said than done with the amount of troll traffic through here lately!
That being said, I stand by the 'content' of my posts - there is absolutely no requirement whatsoever to complicate this cycle. It's your 1st 'proper' run, and you will get fantastic results on single ester Test at a standard dosage provided diet is spot on and training is high intensity and conducive to hypertrophy!
Look at every cycle as a learning experience.... your one sole aim on this cycle, is to learn how your body deals with aromatization on exogenous testosterone and to find your sweet spot with your AI.... then when you run your next cycle, you know exactly what worked for you and can adjust as necessary, so if you upped your T dose, you simply up your AI accordingly - or alternatively if you add in a second compound, depending on which compound you introduce, you tweak your protocol - it really is that simple. If you start playing around with frontloading or changing up esters mid-cycle, and shit hits the fan - what have you learnt? - NOTHING!
A cycle ran without learning something - is a cycle wasted!
With regard to 'on-cycle' supplements....
I definitely recommend NAC dosed at 1200mg.
L-Arginine can help with BP on some users if this is an issue.
A decent multivitamin goes without saying.
Keep H2O levels high on cycle.
Cialis is always a great addition if you can get hold of some - 5mg works for me about an hour pre-workout.
EFA's are always a great addition, as are digestive enzymes and a fibre tablet such as psyllium husk, especially if running a calorific deficit.
Stick to the plan man, no need whatsoever to re-invent the wheel with this one.
Good luck
BigBen
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soldier74
avi changes as i do
Hey no offense taking brother, I understand where you're coming from - it happens!! With that said I hope your show goes well man and good luck prepping.
I guess it's hard for new users to grasp the less is more concept at times, myself included. I figured hey what's one mild oral going to do... but I see your point because I don't even know what a full 12 weeks of test is going to do to me, all I do know is that after 5 weeks of test I had no adverse reactions but that's still to early to know.
My BP is healthy (120/60) normally and my lipid profile is great as well so I wanted to try and keep them under control the best I can for the 12 weeks. I also obtained some clonidine just in case I experience a bad BP spike or some terrible anxiety.
My pre-cyle hematocrit level is 40 so I have some wiggle room in there before things become to thick, I also have a donation location set.
My biggest issue is still bloods... if I shouldn't tell my doc about it then I am unsure of how I will get labs. The two private companies listed in the FAQ do not support NY because of state laws, so say I go to a private doctor and keep it off my insurance by paying cash it will be crazy expensive. I will have to pay for the visit just so I can get the labs ordered, then I will have to pay the lab free in cash... and last time I got an insurance bill it looked like true medical lab blood work was not cheap at all.
So if any of you guys happen to know a good way around this in NY please let me know, I want to be safe. My only other option is driving to PA for the labs listed on here, but I have to have to make a full day trip for labs. Help anyone?
oldmusclemike
Well-known member
Ah haha, Again that was fun. 7 weeks out and Tren, woooooa a little tense and feelin frogy. bigbenn I wasn't near your level but I can relate.
These were two really good posts and the thought for a newbie to learn is strong wisdom.
So good luck OP you have had a good thread as with all this advice and wisdom.
Op Wisdom comes from experience and knowledge put together. bigbenn has that ad so do many others on this forum.
When we change esters and compounds it actually can confuse our bodies or do nothing to help. So many of these guys thing that the gear has just so, so much to do with our gains that it has a mind and can say to itself, oh now I'll act like this and speed up and go this way or that way. As if it's a pitch from the pitcher, he throws a fast ball and I recognize it and I'll act accordingly.
So enough said , act on what solid advice you have here and we all are routing for a good cycle for you.
...from the old guy on the forum, OMM
These were two really good posts and the thought for a newbie to learn is strong wisdom.
So good luck OP you have had a good thread as with all this advice and wisdom.
Op Wisdom comes from experience and knowledge put together. bigbenn has that ad so do many others on this forum.
When we change esters and compounds it actually can confuse our bodies or do nothing to help. So many of these guys thing that the gear has just so, so much to do with our gains that it has a mind and can say to itself, oh now I'll act like this and speed up and go this way or that way. As if it's a pitch from the pitcher, he throws a fast ball and I recognize it and I'll act accordingly.
So enough said , act on what solid advice you have here and we all are routing for a good cycle for you.
...from the old guy on the forum, OMM
Roush
I am banned!
running some test Prop at the beginning of your test E cycle, at like 100-150 mg eod, is pretty standard stuff.. it will get things going quicker . If you got the source and don't mind injecting often, then go for it ,, just keep on top of your AI protocol.
I would not drop to a calorie deficit of 1000 calories quickly ,, I'd start at say 400, then work my way down from there, that won't be as big a shock to your metabolism or throw you into a catabolic starvation state.. work your way down, take in plenty of protein and with the test you should stay anabolic while cutting.
Interesting thread, some solid info for us newbs. Don't mean to hijack this thread but could one answer this question for me? (I'm sure it's been beaten to death)
For someone who is looking to lean out, increase vascularity, increase strength and is happy with the current amount of muscle they have would it be best to still start with 500mg test e or maybe a lower dosage of test and ending with anavar? (Assuming no bad reaction to test in first 8 weeks)
I've come across some Anavar only cycles online with pct and no test. But also came across something from a Google search:
Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Cycle #2
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Cycle #3
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Would the recommendation of test only still stay the same? Or are those viable first cycles for someone just looking to gain strength, vascularity and fat loss at the midsection. (Assuming all stats are met)
For someone who is looking to lean out, increase vascularity, increase strength and is happy with the current amount of muscle they have would it be best to still start with 500mg test e or maybe a lower dosage of test and ending with anavar? (Assuming no bad reaction to test in first 8 weeks)
I've come across some Anavar only cycles online with pct and no test. But also came across something from a Google search:
Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Cycle #2
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Cycle #3
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Would the recommendation of test only still stay the same? Or are those viable first cycles for someone just looking to gain strength, vascularity and fat loss at the midsection. (Assuming all stats are met)
Roush
I am banned!
any cycle that recommends running var with "Tribulus" is utter and total BS .. VAR only cycles are for women.
increasing vascularity and strength is fairly easy,, just run Test for 12 weeks
soldier74
avi changes as i do
Way to take it all in bro!!
You definantly have the right attitude that it takes to learn something around here;-)
Milton
Administrator
Indeed an open mind open to change is the best to have here. good luck and please keep us posted on your logs!
Milton
Administrator
Very well explained and uncut. Fortune favors the prepared and I suspect Bigben66 is going to rule the stage come show time and luck will not be a factor.
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