First cycle in 3 years, is my PCT out of date?

[Leftrightleft]

I am on a test cyp only cycle and plan to finish at the 12 week mark. My two cycles before were years ago and were test e+deca. This one is a test cyp only cycle and Im looking at my PCT cycle I wrote down years ago and it was very successful. It looked like this:

Clomid at 50\50\25\25
Nolva at 40\40\20\20

My cycle is on week 9 but it's:

Week 1-12 Test cyp 500 mgs a week
Week 1-12 HCG 500 IU
Week 1-12 Liquidex 0.25 EOD

I cut out the HCG and liquidex 4 days before PCT as well.

Any advice on if this PCT is too short or good enough? I know everyone has their two cents and information gets changed every few years so I'd appreciate the input.

 

[Megatron28]

I can help with part of this. Start PCT about 3 weeks after your last injection. And continue to run your hCG and AI until about 2-3 days before PCT stsrts.

 

[Leftrightleft]

I can help with part of this. Start PCT about 3 weeks after your last injection. And continue to run your hCG and AI until about 2-3 days before PCT stsrts.

Ive read with test cyp you should only wait 18 days after your last pin though

 

[Hypnotix]

Ive read with test cyp you should only wait 18 days after your last pin though

Mega is going to be deadly accurate with his answers. I'm sure he will elaborate if you ask nicely!

Alternatively, I will say he is correct as well. 18 is OKAY, but 21 would be better.. You won't lose gains in the extra 3 days, and it will make it more likely you recover.. may as well just wait.

I'll add my own 2 cents on your PCT too.

Clomid (50mg every week, OR 100mg/50mg/50mg/50mg (this is my preference)) Better safe than sorry, and Clomid will do little in the way of negative sides at 100mg or 50mg! 25mg just seems too low in my opinion, and again, can't be too safe with your recovery, it should be treated as the highest priority section of any cycle!

Hope this helps! Everything looks pretty good otherwise. You asked if it was outdated, I'd say fairly, but you're not far off. Better informed than most that come here, that is for sure!

 

[Teutonic]

Your to young to remember the the Merril Lycnh commercials but it went something like a man in a restaurant telling another " Well my guy at Merril said............"

All quiet as EVERYONE is paying attention. Mega has spoken...2 in the chest, 1 in the head. Done..

Hypntoticus Maximus laid it out in a more comprehensive manner.

I d be a fool to try to add Jack or --it.

(PCT is for quitter s lol..jkg bro..I m trt d for the duration)

 

[Megatron28]

Ive read with test cyp you should only wait 18 days after your last pin though

Do you really want to quibble over 18 vs. 21 days?

 

[Megatron28]

Mega is going to be deadly accurate with his answers. I'm sure he will elaborate if you ask nicely!

Alternatively, I will say he is correct as well. 18 is OKAY, but 21 would be better.. You won't lose gains in the extra 3 days, and it will make it more likely you recover.. may as well just wait.

I'll add my own 2 cents on your PCT too.

Clomid (50mg every week, OR 100mg/50mg/50mg/50mg (this is my preference)) Better safe than sorry, and Clomid will do little in the way of negative sides at 100mg or 50mg! 25mg just seems too low in my opinion, and again, can't be too safe with your recovery, it should be treated as the highest priority section of any cycle!

Hope this helps! Everything looks pretty good otherwise. You asked if it was outdated, I'd say fairly, but you're not far off. Better informed than most that come here, that is for sure!

To clarify, you are recommending clomid + nolva... but with the clomid at a higher dose than OP listed. Right?

 

[Megatron28]

Your to young to remember the the Merril Lycnh commercials but it went something like a man in a restaurant telling another " Well my guy at Merril said............"

All quiet as EVERYONE is paying attention. Mega has spoken...2 in the chest, 1 in the head. Done..

Hypntoticus Maximus laid it out in a more comprehensive manner.

I d be a fool to try to add Jack or --it.

(PCT is for quitter s lol..jkg bro..I m trt d for the duration)

Wasn't that E.F. Hutton? Everyone put their hand to their ear to listen...

PCT is for quitters!!! Joliver use to say that. I wish he would come back.

 

[Hypnotix]

To clarify, you are recommending clomid + nolva... but with the clomid at a higher dose than OP listed. Right?

Correct, should have clarified that. Clomid as I described, and Nolvadex alongside it as well. Can't do an effective PCT without both.

OP's dosage by week for Nolvadex is perfect though, no changes.

I did say everything else looked in order though.. but that surely could have been mixed up. Thanks!

 

[Leftrightleft]

Mega is going to be deadly accurate with his answers. I'm sure he will elaborate if you ask nicely!

Alternatively, I will say he is correct as well. 18 is OKAY, but 21 would be better.. You won't lose gains in the extra 3 days, and it will make it more likely you recover.. may as well just wait.

I'll add my own 2 cents on your PCT too.

Clomid (50mg every week, OR 100mg/50mg/50mg/50mg (this is my preference)) Better safe than sorry, and Clomid will do little in the way of negative sides at 100mg or 50mg! 25mg just seems too low in my opinion, and again, can't be too safe with your recovery, it should be treated as the highest priority section of any cycle!

Hope this helps! Everything looks pretty good otherwise. You asked if it was outdated, I'd say fairly, but you're not far off. Better informed than most that come here, that is for sure!

But Ive read that clomid over 50 mg can cause permanent ocular damage. I know guys with permanent ocular problems because they did that. Are you saying the clomid at 50/50/25/25 is possibly too low?

Also is there any way to combat the depression that comes with clomid? It messes with my head so bad at around week 3

 

[tbonexl]

You can keep clomid dose at 50mgs throughout pct. I never went over 50mgs with clomid. Use nolva with clomid too at your dose posted...

 

[Teutonic]

ef hutton...correct...my college gf is w merril lynch...getting old s a drag Mega....

Mark Rippetoe ? " Big strong people are harder to kill and generally just more useful."