First Cycle - Input Pls

[macgyver_48]

This is what I have planned for my first cycle so far:

Wk 1-8 100mg Test Prop EOD
Wk 1-8 250IU HCG 2x week
Wk 9-10 40mg Nolvadex ED
Wk 11-12 20mg Nolvadex ED

I'll start this on May 26. Any suggestions?

 

[daan69]

what are your stats, and age?

Looks like a solid first cycle

 

[bigjohn79]

One question, why are u using hcg during the cycle? hcg is used as a shock to get the 'boy's up for being down so long, therefore I find hcg during cycle pointless. I would go with a longer acting ester like eth or cyp, unless for some reason you enjoy injecting every other day? i would run the nolvadex 40mgs straight for the 4 weeks instead of dropping it down to 20mgs.

 

[macgyver_48]

6'3
230
18%bf
24 yo
training 3 yrs

 

[macgyver_48]

i picked up the hcg thru cycle from swale's post cycle therapy (pct) post. he made a convincing argument.

 

[rjx]

One question, why are u using hcg during the cycle? hcg is used as a shock to get the 'boy's up for being down so long, therefore I find hcg during cycle pointless.

HCG is taken during the cycle so that your boys don't shrink and you can recover faster so that you can keep more gains.

Why shrink them just to bring em back when the shrinkage can be prevented in the first place?

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

I would stick with an Enanthate ester your first time out.

 

[macgyver_48]

don't get me wrong, i'd love to save myself the trouble of getting stuck every other day, but prop is my only available option right now.

 

[daan69]

HCG is taken during the cycle so that your boys don't shrink and you can recover faster so that you can keep more gains.

Why shrink them just to bring em back when the shrinkage can be prevented in the first place?

ditto

 

[rjx]

Any suggestions?

I would up the dose on the test a LITTLE.

Your basically taking 350mg per week. I would up it at least 25mgs per shot, but I am nit picking here. I would try to take in 400-500mg of test a week and if you take 125mg per shot that will = 437 1/2 mgs

I'm sure you will do great with 100mg eod though. Evrything looks nice!

 

[macgyver_48]

Would I have to factor in the difference in the two esters to make comparable weekly doses?

Ester actual mg/100mg dose
test no ester 100
tren acetate 87
test prop 83
test enanth 72
test cyp 70
test undecan 63

So then 350mg/wk of prop works out to 290.5mg/wk
and 500mg/wk of enan works out to 360mg/wk
Upping the dose to 125mg EOD or 437.5mg/wk would come to 363.125mg/wk.

Just using the 500mg/wk of enan b/c I see it thrown out so often.

Maybe I'm just waaaaaaay overthinking this. Lemme know.

 

[daan69]

Would I have to factor in the difference in the two esters to make comparable weekly doses?

Ester actual mg/100mg dose
test no ester 100
tren acetate 87
test prop 83
test enanth 72
test cyp 70
test undecan 63

So then 350mg/wk of prop works out to 290.5mg/wk
and 500mg/wk of enan works out to 360mg/wk
Upping the dose to 125mg EOD or 437.5mg/wk would come to 363.125mg/wk.

Just using the 500mg/wk of enan b/c I see it thrown out so often.

Maybe I'm just waaaaaaay overthinking this. Lemme know.

LOL
you might be going a little overboard... but whos to say

 

[StoneColdNTO]

For a first cycle, 100mg EOD is sufficient.

Good luck !!

 

[macgyver_48]

great! thx a lot everybody!

 

[bigjohn79]

I agree what you are saying regarding the "boys" shrinking however, if your testes remain the same size during cycle that doesnt necc. mean that shutdown of production as been altered anyless, for instance when hitting a strong PCT, after 1-2 weeks ur testes go back to natural size.. does this mean your HTPA is back 100% no. If this is what your trying to do, why not just start 1 week before you start post cycle therapy (pct). HCg's main focus is to "minic" LH, this makes it not the perfect compound to combat test suppression maybe just atropy. HCG just shocks them out of atropy which happens quickly PCT, but has no effect on the blocking of inhibition on the hypothalmas , this is done by your antiestrogens....so if anything this theory would make more sense if you ran antiestrogens during cycle. Just my .02