Cglhut
New member
Hey guys, I would like to start this thread off by stating I'm a long time lurker and have been doing research for roughly the last three years. I by no means claim to know everything about AAS/PED's and am fully open to criticism and advice, but with that being said I am not a novice and I would consider myself to be some what knowledgeable on the topic and am fully aware of all the potiential health risks of running a cycle. Now that I've gotten that out of the way let's move on to my stats and and questions.
My stats:
Age: 21
Experience: 12yrs (I would consider myself an advanced lifter)
Height: 5'8 1/2"
Weight: 174lbs
BF%: 12-13% estimated (Plan to get a dexascan soon)
Bench Max: 340lbs
Clean Max: 305lbs
Squat Max: 450lbs
Deadlift Max: 415lbs
A little background on myself, I've lifted since I was in about 3rd grade. The HS I went to was a big football school and we started learning to lift properly at a young age. Mostly extremely light weight but the concept was to learn the basics to power lifting/lifting in general at a young age so by the time we reached HS we know exactly what we were doing and could hit the ground running. Since then I have been a huge fitness fanatic, I've always set goals pushed myself extremely hard in the weightroom. Fitness, nutrition/supplementation, and how the body works has always been extremely interesting to me. Which eventually led me to researching AAS and other types of PED's. With that being said I really would like to do my first cycle but I would like some insight/advice from some of the Vets.
*Before Cycle* Like I said earlier I understand the potiental health risks of running a cycle at my age, that's why I'll be getting bloods/ physical/ dexascan to get a baseline on where I'm at. It's important to me to do this as safe as possible, health being my number one priority.
My cycle:
Sarm Triple Stack
1-8wk osta 25 mg
1-8wk s4 50 mg day split into 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12wk gw 20 mg day
*potientially may throw some albuterol in as well*
PCT:
1-4wk Clomid 50/50/50/50
1-4wk Nolva 40/40/20/20
Potientially HcGenrate or some other natty test booster
Goals: Drop 2-4% BF while gaining 2-4lbs lean muscle if possible. Not sure if it'll be possible to gain that much muscle while cutting, but I would be extremely happy if I could just gain a little/maintain current LBM.
Now I know to some my PCT may seem a little over the top for a Sarm Cycle, but like I said health is my number one concern and I would rather be safe than sorry. I know the general consensus on the forums is that Osta and S4 cause only minor suppression but I have yet to see solid bloodwork backing these claims. Just because you don't feel like you've been supressed/potientally shutdown doesn't mean that you aren't. Now here is where I need some advice/help. Like I said my health is my number one concern, with that being said we only really know the short term effects of SARMS we don't know how these compounds will effect us long term. Which leads me to my question, what's stopping me from running a basic Test E cycle as my first cycle? I mean we have much more knowledge/studies on Test. It's FDA approved and obviously is proscribed by doctors to treat patients. There are countless studies out there proving that 500-600mgs of test can be safely taken by athletes if run properly. I for the most part would know exactly what I'd be getting into short and long term health wise if I were to run a test cycle. Test cycle would be the following...
Pre cycle: Bloods/ Physical/ Dexascan
Mid cycle: Bloods
After cycle/PCT: Bloods
Test E cycle:
1-12wks 500mgs Test E (250mg shot monday, 250mg shot thursday)
1-12wks Adex 12.5mg ED
1-12wks 500IUs HCG
*Two weeks after last Pin start PCT*
PCT:
1-4wks Clomid 50/50/50/50
1-4wks Nolva 40/40/20/20
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is are SARMS really worth it? If I'm willing to supress and or potientially shut myself down wouldn't a basic Test E cycle be safer and more effective 1st cycle in the long run if run properly? Thanks in advance for the help and advice guys, I know this has been a long post.
My stats:
Age: 21
Experience: 12yrs (I would consider myself an advanced lifter)
Height: 5'8 1/2"
Weight: 174lbs
BF%: 12-13% estimated (Plan to get a dexascan soon)
Bench Max: 340lbs
Clean Max: 305lbs
Squat Max: 450lbs
Deadlift Max: 415lbs
A little background on myself, I've lifted since I was in about 3rd grade. The HS I went to was a big football school and we started learning to lift properly at a young age. Mostly extremely light weight but the concept was to learn the basics to power lifting/lifting in general at a young age so by the time we reached HS we know exactly what we were doing and could hit the ground running. Since then I have been a huge fitness fanatic, I've always set goals pushed myself extremely hard in the weightroom. Fitness, nutrition/supplementation, and how the body works has always been extremely interesting to me. Which eventually led me to researching AAS and other types of PED's. With that being said I really would like to do my first cycle but I would like some insight/advice from some of the Vets.
*Before Cycle* Like I said earlier I understand the potiental health risks of running a cycle at my age, that's why I'll be getting bloods/ physical/ dexascan to get a baseline on where I'm at. It's important to me to do this as safe as possible, health being my number one priority.
My cycle:
Sarm Triple Stack
1-8wk osta 25 mg
1-8wk s4 50 mg day split into 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12wk gw 20 mg day
*potientially may throw some albuterol in as well*
PCT:
1-4wk Clomid 50/50/50/50
1-4wk Nolva 40/40/20/20
Potientially HcGenrate or some other natty test booster
Goals: Drop 2-4% BF while gaining 2-4lbs lean muscle if possible. Not sure if it'll be possible to gain that much muscle while cutting, but I would be extremely happy if I could just gain a little/maintain current LBM.
Now I know to some my PCT may seem a little over the top for a Sarm Cycle, but like I said health is my number one concern and I would rather be safe than sorry. I know the general consensus on the forums is that Osta and S4 cause only minor suppression but I have yet to see solid bloodwork backing these claims. Just because you don't feel like you've been supressed/potientally shutdown doesn't mean that you aren't. Now here is where I need some advice/help. Like I said my health is my number one concern, with that being said we only really know the short term effects of SARMS we don't know how these compounds will effect us long term. Which leads me to my question, what's stopping me from running a basic Test E cycle as my first cycle? I mean we have much more knowledge/studies on Test. It's FDA approved and obviously is proscribed by doctors to treat patients. There are countless studies out there proving that 500-600mgs of test can be safely taken by athletes if run properly. I for the most part would know exactly what I'd be getting into short and long term health wise if I were to run a test cycle. Test cycle would be the following...
Pre cycle: Bloods/ Physical/ Dexascan
Mid cycle: Bloods
After cycle/PCT: Bloods
Test E cycle:
1-12wks 500mgs Test E (250mg shot monday, 250mg shot thursday)
1-12wks Adex 12.5mg ED
1-12wks 500IUs HCG
*Two weeks after last Pin start PCT*
PCT:
1-4wks Clomid 50/50/50/50
1-4wks Nolva 40/40/20/20
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is are SARMS really worth it? If I'm willing to supress and or potientially shut myself down wouldn't a basic Test E cycle be safer and more effective 1st cycle in the long run if run properly? Thanks in advance for the help and advice guys, I know this has been a long post.