First cycle question

[natural-guy]

I know many of the vets suggest a Test e or c only first cycle. I totally understand why this is a good idea. I was wondering if it would be a big deal to kickstart it with Test prop? Technically it's the same hormone with a quicker ester from what I understand. The only thing I can figure that would happen is that if you're going to get any sides they would just show up a lot quicker. What other problem could I potentially run into by doing this and also what would be the correct dosage be as far as running Test e and prop simultaniously the first few weeks if you were intending on running the Test e @ 500 per week split in 2 doses? Would you treat them totally seperate and run the Test e @ 500 per week and maybe the prop @ 75 ed or 150 eod? Or would you have to cut back?

 

[ECKSRATED]

I know many of the vets suggest a Test e or c only first cycle. I totally understand why this is a good idea. I was wondering if it would be a big deal to kickstart it with Test prop? Technically it's the same hormone with a quicker ester from what I understand. The only thing I can figure that would happen is that if you're going to get any sides they would just show up a lot quicker. What other problem could I potentially run into by doing this and also what would be the correct dosage be as far as running Test e and prop simultaniously the first few weeks if you were intending on running the Test e @ 500 per week split in 2 doses? Would you treat them totally seperate and run the Test e @ 500 per week and maybe the prop @ 75 ed or 150 eod? Or would you have to cut back?

That's what I would do if I were you. E 250mg twice a week and prop eod 150mg for 4 weeks. I actually think this is the way every test cycle should be ran. Why not get the most out of it the first four weeks too, ya know?? Good luck to you whatever u do choose. And have stuff on hand to battle sides!

 

[natural-guy]

Anyone else have thoughts on this? I would love to hear back from some of the vets, Cyto, Det-Oak, humdiddly, I really respect your opinions.

 

[Larrybird]

I think test prop for 4 weeks is a great idea! It lets you get to work right away until the test C kicks in.

Test prop.

The only thing I would suggest is lowering the dose of Test E to 400mg. Considering this is your first cycle, if you run a second one, you'll get gains from 500mg. If you ran 500mg now, you'd probably only see good gains from 600+ in the future.

Just a thought. If I could re-run my cycle, I'd do 400mg a week.

You have your post cycle therapy (pct) set-up and ready to go?

 

[Wormwood]

You can do that. I'd go 100mg's EOD. I don't like orals but if I did I'd just assume use an oral. Better to use a different type of steroid for a kicker than the one you will be running imo but of course you can do it with prop too.

 

[barrysanders]

Is it a big deal to start with Prop??? Could be-depends if your going to have any sides or not to the gear (hence, doing a first cycle with only TEST E/C and adding only 1 compound each additional cycle).

However, if your stuck on doing Prop for a first cycle why not just use it throughout the entire cycle and drop the long esther (if you dont mind the freq pinning).

Give some more information; have you bought your gear yet? If so, what do you have & how much.

 

[natural-guy]

I think test prop for 4 weeks is a great idea! It lets you get to work right away until the test C kicks in.

Test prop.

The only thing I would suggest is lowering the dose of Test E to 400mg. Considering this is your first cycle, if you run a second one, you'll get gains from 500mg. If you ran 500mg now, you'd probably only see good gains from 600+ in the future.

Just a thought. If I could re-run my cycle, I'd do 400mg a week.

You have your post cycle therapy (pct) set-up and ready to go?

I like your idea of scaling back on the test e? You make a good point that I will think about and make a decision on.
As far as post cycle therapy (pct), I have nothing as of yet but plan on running clomid. I am still unsure if I want to run nolva along with it.
I have not even got my gear yet. I am still recovering from a partial rotator cuff tear from back in august. I am using this time to really dial in and clean up my diet, and also to finish researching things like I just posted. My goal is to begin by christmas if the shoulder cooperates.

 

[natural-guy]

You can do that. I'd go 100mg's EOD. I don't like orals but if I did I'd just assume use an oral. Better to use a different type of steroid for a kicker than the one you will be running imo but of course you can do it with prop too.

I had thought about running an oral with it as a kickstart but decided to see how I react to the test first based on other advice I had received here, hence my original question on weather the test prop and enth combo would give me any problems being they are both test.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

holy shit, I woke this morning wanting to kill myslef, fucking shoulders feel like the were going to fall off. Traps felt like someone was ripping them off my body, arms felt like they were going to fall off at the elbows. Then 30 minutes later, i felt like a new man, ready to rock...............the joys of AAS are grand....

Now to answer your question:

I see no problem with a little prop at the beginning of your cycle. As a matter of fact i personally will never cycle again without prop at the beginning and end of my cycle. Orals work better for me when my T levels are through the roof, and i refuse to have to wait 2-3 for post cycle therapy (pct) while not feeling great.

There are 2 ways you could do this.

1# run 100mg prop for the first 2 weeks, then 75mg week 3 then 50 on week 4. then finishing solo on your test e.

2# run 100mg for the first 5 weeks.

Obviously option 2 will throw your T levels way higher, and there will be more peaks and valleys, possibly leading to more sides.

whatever dose you decide to run, I would DEF divide my long ester dosage for the week by 3.5 and put both T's in the same syringe when injecting. this will ease the pain of the prop you will surely have since its your first cycle. Once the prop is done switch to pinning 2x a week.

 

[natural-guy]

Is it a big deal to start with Prop??? Could be-depends if your going to have any sides or not to the gear (hence, doing a first cycle with only TEST E/C and adding only 1 compound each additional cycle).

However, if your stuck on doing Prop for a first cycle why not just use it throughout the entire cycle and drop the long esther (if you dont mind the freq pinning).

Give some more information; have you bought your gear yet? If so, what do you have & how much.

I have not purchased any gear yet, for reasons stated above.
My stats are: 6'1" , 215-220 lbs and not sure about bf%. I put on some weight after my injury back in august and would like to get down to 210 when I begin my cycle. I have come a long way, being 2 years ago I weighed 280 lbs.

 

[natural-guy]

holy shit, I woke this morning wanting to kill myslef, fucking shoulders feel like the were going to fall off. Traps felt like someone was ripping them off my body, arms felt like they were going to fall off at the elbows. Then 30 minutes later, i felt like a new man, ready to rock...............the joys of AAS are grand....

Now to answer your question:

I see no problem with a little prop at the beginning of your cycle. As a matter of fact i personally will never cycle again without prop at the beginning and end of my cycle. Orals work better for me when my T levels are through the roof, and i refuse to have to wait 2-3 for post cycle therapy (pct) while not feeling great.

There are 2 ways you could do this.

1# run 100mg prop for the first 2 weeks, then 75mg week 3 then 50 on week 4. then finishing solo on your test e.

2# run 100mg for the first 5 weeks.

Obviously option 2 will throw your T levels way higher, and there will be more peaks and valleys, possibly leading to more sides.

whatever dose you decide to run, I would DEF divide my long ester dosage for the week by 3.5 and put both T's in the same syringe when injecting. this will ease the pain of the prop you will surely have since its your first cycle. Once the prop is done switch to pinning 2x a week.

I love your idea of running the prop at the beginning and at the end through the time to start post cycle therapy (pct). Assuming the sides are not bad throughout the cycle, do you think it would a problem to run the prop at the end on my first cycle?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i dont see a problem with it.

 

[natural-guy]

i dont see a problem with it.

Would you mind laying out a pinning schedule for me using the prop at the beginning and end of a 12-14 week test enth cycle including dosages? I'm curious to see what that would potentially look like.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

what is the prop and E dosed at?

 

[MotorIHead]

I'm surprised Det, ur not suggesting Dbol at the beginning ? Sup with that brudda ?

 

[natural-guy]

what is the prop and E dosed at?

Yes, I'm a little confused about how you explained it in one of the posts above. When I'm not doing the prop I expect to be running 200-250 of test e twice a week for a total of 400-500 a week. I don't completly understand how to correctly dose the prop at the beginning and the end of the cycle and also how you mentioned to change the pinning schedule so I can just mix the both in one pin. Also does the dosage of the test e change when you combine it with the prop or do run the full amount throughout the cycle?

 

[MotorIHead]

Yes, I'm a little confused about how you explained it in one of the posts above. When I'm not doing the prop I expect to be running 200-250 of test e twice a week for a total of 400-500 a week. I don't completly understand how to correctly dose the prop at the beginning and the end of the cycle and also how you mentioned to change the pinning schedule so I can just mix the both in one pin. Also does the dosage of the test e change when you combine it with the prop or do run the full amount throughout the cycle?

He's asking what the gear is dosed at, not what dose u want to take a week.

 

[natural-guy]

He's asking what the gear is dosed at, not what dose u want to take a week.

Sorry...I haven't picked up the gear yet but lets say the prop is dosed @ 100 per ml and the enth is dosed 250 per ml. I think thats pretty much typical. If I get something different I can figure out the math pretty easily.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I'm surprised Det, ur not suggesting Dbol at the beginning ? Sup with that brudda ?

hahahahaha

on a more serious note though, i try not to recommend dbol, I just dont mind telling people its not that big of a deal if they research and come up with a nicely planned cycle.

NG gimme me a minute to explain.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

lets say i wanted to run 500mg a week test e and 100mg prop

if you pin EOD you will be pinning 3.5x a week or 7 times in 2 weeks.

so take 500mg / 3.5 to get your EOD dose of enanthate.

comes to about 142mg EOD

so I would load 100mg prop and 142mg of enanthate in each pin for the time that i would be injecting the prop.

why would i do this? It will help ease the pain from prop big time.

then once my X amount of weeks of prop is finished, then i would just pin 250mg enanthate 2x a week.

As for the end of the cycle lets say my enanthate will end week 14-then starting week 15 i would start pinning my prop EOD. I would run my prop for at least 3 weeks........why you ask?

The common time people wait for post cycle therapy (pct) after enanthate is 14 days right? thats too early IMO.

your T levels will probably reach 6000 on a 12+ week enanthate cycle.

using a 7 day half life how long will it take to get down to 375? the amount of T level that will let your balls start producing their own again...............

answer that one