First Cycle-Questions before I start

sports guy

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Hello everyone, I'm a newbie here. I've been browsing the forums for a few months gathering info for my first cycle. I am going to do a Test only cycle but I do have some questions before I begin.

First off I'll give you some of my info. I am a 28 year old Male, 73" tall, 208 lbs. 11.7%BF. I do have experience with Pro hormones in the past. Unfortunately I tried them at the young age of 18 back in 2008 when they were extremely easy to get anywhere. I've taken some OTC supps off and on every couple of years since then but the supplements don't seem as strong as they were prior to industry crackdowns. Even though I started at a young age I did always look to get stuff that was on the milder side of PH's and my body doesn't seem to have had any negative sides from my past. Anyways I feel as though its time to do my first cycle of real gear.

My big question is with a Test only cycle can I mix esters? I have a bottle of Sust 250 and Cyp 300. This is the only time I've been able to get my hands on the stuff and I don't have a source for it. It was just kind of a one off thing. I actually got the stuff in July but have been holding off on it because I was having difficulty getting my PCT supps. I now have my PCT supps but wanted to check in with the experts before I pull the trigger. I am looking to start the cycle to begin the new year.

Any responses are greatly appreciated and I look forward to hearing from you guys!
 
Cyp 300? How many bottles of each do you have? I would leave the sust alone and run the cyp.....for a few reasons. Less pinning will make your first cycle easier. How much are you planning on running for this cycle? What weekly dose and how many weeks?
Also, are you sure have your pct lined up? What about hcg and/or an AI?

How.long you been working out and what are your goals for this cycle and beyond?
 
he has 1 bottle of each...

i would run the sust first since it has prop in it.. itll kickstart your cycle and then jump to the cyp
 
he has 1 bottle of each...

i would run the sust first since it has prop in it.. itll kickstart your cycle and then jump to the cyp

He needs more bottles :)
Would you suggest he start the cyp before finishing the sust so that there isnt as much of a drop? Or could he just switch when he runs out?

Two bottles is gonna be a short cycle.....especially with only one bottle of cyp.
 
Thanks for the responses! yeah unfortunately I only have one bottle of each. I wanted to stretch it to a 12 week cycle with 500mg of the sust for 5 weeks and the cyp at 400mg a week for 7 weeks. I did the math a while back and figured out that I could stretch the bottle of cyp out for that period of time using .8ml I believe. I'd have to go back and double check the math for sure. The other option was to just do a 10 week and have the cyp at 600mg a week however I didn't know if that was a bit high for a first cycle.

My PCT I have Nolva and Clomid and I also have arimidex on hand for on cycle. I don't have any HCG.

I've been working out for the past 11 years fairly regularly, more intensely at times. My goals for the cycle are pretty modest. I'm looking to increase strength while leaning out a bit and just increase my overall athleticism. I'm not looking to gain say X amount of weight or hit a certain amount on a lift. Beyond the cycle I would like to keep atleast half of strength gains made and we'll see where I'm at a few months post cycle.

I have done initial blood work and will get mid cycle and post done as well. I would like to run a log of this whole experience as well to track progress and give insight if anyone is interested. I've enjoyed following other's logs myself.
 
Thanks for the responses! yeah unfortunately I only have one bottle of each. I wanted to stretch it to a 12 week cycle with 500mg of the sust for 5 weeks and the cyp at 400mg a week for 7 weeks. I did the math a while back and figured out that I could stretch the bottle of cyp out for that period of time using .8ml I believe. I'd have to go back and double check the math for sure. The other option was to just do a 10 week and have the cyp at 600mg a week however I didn't know if that was a bit high for a first cycle.

My PCT I have Nolva and Clomid and I also have arimidex on hand for on cycle. I don't have any HCG.

I've been working out for the past 11 years fairly regularly, more intensely at times. My goals for the cycle are pretty modest. I'm looking to increase strength while leaning out a bit and just increase my overall athleticism. I'm not looking to gain say X amount of weight or hit a certain amount on a lift. Beyond the cycle I would like to keep atleast half of strength gains made and we'll see where I'm at a few months post cycle.

I have done initial blood work and will get mid cycle and post done as well. I would like to run a log of this whole experience as well to track progress and give insight if anyone is interested. I've enjoyed following other's logs myself.
Thanks for the skinny, and looking forward to your logs! :santa:
 
question about the pinning with the sust as well. It's my understanding that sust is a blend of 4 different esters short and long both and has a long half life. Is it best to go with a twice a week pin schedule like the long esters or a EOD or ED for the short esters?
 
I just wanna go on record saying that I wouldnt do this as my first cycle. First cycles often look rough but we should plan them to be perfect. Your first cycle is the best cycle. 500 of cyp or E or a minimum of 12 weeks. A few weeks longer is even better. Read the first cycle sticky please. Can the cycle you are proposing work?......of course it can....but I would save those compounds for later. Get some C or E at 200 to 250/ml and get 10ml bottles. The higher your concentration the more chance you're getting screwed on the dose. There is a reason that pharma grade doesnt go up to 300. My opinion here may not be popular and you should feel free to do as you wish.......but again, 400 to 500 per week of cyp or enanthate in 2 pins. Use hcg throughout, ai throughout, have pct IN HAND, do bloodwork before to get a baseline, midpoint to adjust AI, and a month after pct to judge recovery. Anything else is just too creative for a first time. Switching Esthers mid cycle is gonna make ai dosing difficult at best.

Sorry to be a downer here bro. I care.....and I want your first cycle to be perfect. Take your time, get what you need, and plan it out. Accept nothing less or you will always wonder what ya missed. Good luck and take care bro
 
He needs more bottles :)
Would you suggest he start the cyp before finishing the sust so that there isnt as much of a drop? Or could he just switch when he runs out?

Two bottles is gonna be a short cycle.....especially with only one bottle of cyp.
250 x 10 = 2500 300 x 10 = 3000

5500/400mg a week 13.75

its plenty for a first cycle honestly

even at 500mg a week he's running 11 weeks total
 
250 x 10 = 2500 300 x 10 = 3000

5500/400mg a week 13.75

its plenty for a first cycle honestly

even at 500mg a week he's running 11 weeks total

Agreed sir. Just thinking one esther is a better option. We're gonna do more than one cycle anyway so I'd get more cypionate and start there. Controlling estrogen might be easier that way. But either way.......a cycle is a cycle.....next time stick with one maybe?
 
agreed.. but given thats what he has i don think its an issue to start with sust.. the prop in sust will act like a kickstart to any cycle.. but it does throw off levels a bit.. adex at .5mg eod for the entire cycle will handle that well though
Agreed sir. Just thinking one esther is a better option. We're gonna do more than one cycle anyway so I'd get more cypionate and start there. Controlling estrogen might be easier that way. But either way.......a cycle is a cycle.....next time stick with one maybe?
 
It always scares me a little when people cant readily get their hands on what they need. 3J is of course right on the money with the advice. My concern is when people cant get whatever they want or need then what do ya do about PCT? What if you want to extend the cycle or the pct? How do ya get your next cycle? What about cialis and viagra to get ya through the limp part of recovery? Lol.
I wouldnt cycle unless I could get my hands on whatever I want whenever I want. For a first cycle you can make a great cycle out of whatever ya have on hand.......but first cycle you shouldn't be short any products.
Either way.....sounds like you are in pretty good shape OP. Give some updates as you go along. Have fun and be careful as your strength dramatically increases. Take care bro
 
250 x 10 = 2500 300 x 10 = 3000

5500/400mg a week 13.75

its plenty for a first cycle honestly

even at 500mg a week he's running 11 weeks total

This assumes each bottle contains 10. I've had two different UGL and even different compounds that was just 8ml but sold as 10.
I also think you're being irresponsible here... Its his first cycle... We have a guide (you've written it too?) and its what we tell everyone to do.

But here you're approving him rushing head first into unknown territory. If he has only 2 bottles total of different mixes...what are the chances he has everything else needed?
And your sole reason is his stats... Thats like me saying my first cycle was totally ok running prop/tren/masteron...
Everything will be harder for him, he has no idea how conversion sensitive he is.

Nah, i'll call bad advice on this which is pretty rare for you 3J.
 
It always scares me a little when people cant readily get their hands on what they need. 3J is of course right on the money with the advice. My concern is when people cant get whatever they want or need then what do ya do about PCT? What if you want to extend the cycle or the pct? How do ya get your next cycle? What about cialis and viagra to get ya through the limp part of recovery? Lol.
I wouldnt cycle unless I could get my hands on whatever I want whenever I want. For a first cycle you can make a great cycle out of whatever ya have on hand.......but first cycle you shouldn't be short any products.
Either way.....sounds like you are in pretty good shape OP. Give some updates as you go along. Have fun and be careful as your strength dramatically increases. Take care bro

You're to nice and diplomatic bro.
You are 100% right and 3J is not wrong but is giving bad advice here and you know that too so why not just say it? What spot on the money with the advice? You clearly dont agree at all with what you've written.

If it was directed to me, you, nicky, bodyweight or literally anyone that cycled before at least once... Sure, it would be legit.
But going against the communitys recommendation, that most of us push pretty hard on everyone... How is that helping a first timer?
What if he's allergic to an ester... How would you know which one running sust?

I could write and write and write but there's not a single thing good with OK'ing and rushing someone into a cycle.
When has that ever been ok here? Why would his stats change that?
 
This assumes each bottle contains 10. I've had two different UGL and even different compounds that was just 8ml but sold as 10.
I also think you're being irresponsible here... Its his first cycle... We have a guide (you've written it too?) and its what we tell everyone to do.

But here you're approving him rushing head first into unknown territory. If he has only 2 bottles total of different mixes...what are the chances he has everything else needed?
And your sole reason is his stats... Thats like me saying my first cycle was totally ok running prop/tren/masteron...
Everything will be harder for him, he has no idea how conversion sensitive he is.

Nah, i'll call bad advice on this which is pretty rare for you 3J.
1. the typical bottle contains 10, esp longer esters like sust and cyp/e
2. what out of the first cycle guide is wrong here? he has a test only cycle he wants to run
3. i didn't approve anything, i answered his question about sust and cyp. dont poison the well
4.on your other comment about him being allergic to the ester, that applies to any cycle.. and since hes starting with the sust he would know if its the sust or the cyp.. so that isn't valid either

test is test... the ester is nothing more than a depot..

sust has short, medium, and long acting esters. by injecting sust first he can get his blood plasma levels higher earlier while keeping e2 under control with adex and then switch to cyp with minimal disturbance to his levels..

i didn't give him a full cycle setup, i answered a simple question

thanks for your contribution though
 
My advice will remain.....wait until you dont have an issue with supply. Supply issues can put us in fucked up situations. If you cant get as many bottles as you want.....then for gods sake don't start the first bottle. There are a hundred things that can go wrong. Examples: you drop the bottle and it breaks.....now you have one. You start the cycle and one of the bottles is dirty so you get an infection. You want to run a few more weeks cuz you're really starting to see some good gains.

So.....I agree that you can make a cycle out of what ya have. Probably a very successful one. But if you don't have the supply or the money to get it then you should wait until you do. You're in good shape, dont risk it until you have all the weapons to fight the risks ;)

And yes santa.....I am trying to be courteous with my advice and softening my words a little.....but I also think that 3j is right, a cycle can be done like this.....I just dont think it should. And for me it's as much about the compounds as it is about the supply.

Merry Christmas to all !!!!!!
 
1. the typical bottle contains 10, esp longer esters like sust and cyp/e
2. what out of the first cycle guide is wrong here? he has a test only cycle he wants to run
3. i didn't approve anything, i answered his question about sust and cyp. dont poison the well
4.on your other comment about him being allergic to the ester, that applies to any cycle.. and since hes starting with the sust he would know if its the sust or the cyp.. so that isn't valid either

test is test... the ester is nothing more than a depot..

sust has short, medium, and long acting esters. by injecting sust first he can get his blood plasma levels higher earlier while keeping e2 under control with adex and then switch to cyp with minimal disturbance to his levels..

i didn't give him a full cycle setup, i answered a simple question

thanks for your contribution though

1. The typical bottle but not everyone as I've experienced more than once.
2. Using sustanon for a first cycle goes against your own recommendations in your own guide. Which is the standard 500mg test e.
3. You said its ok to run sust based on his stats alone, knowing it will be much harder for a first timer.
4. Not when using 8 different esters, how would he know which one?

As one of the most prominent members, you did approve him running headfirst, having 2 bottles. Do you think thats good solid advice for a first timer? but more importantly, you go against your own guide and recommendations. Based on...his stats.

I'm fully aware how sust works. Im also aware how estrogen effects me.
You're making his first cycle harder for no reasons while going against your own advice.

Thanks for your contribution though even if its bad.
 
And yes santa.....I am trying to be courteous with my advice and softening my words a little.....but I also think that 3j is right, a cycle can be done like this.....I just dont think it should. And for me it's as much about the compounds as it is about the supply.

Yeh, he could run test/tren/masteron/var as well for a first cycle.
Of course a cycle can be ran like this...Just shouldn't be his first cyclce. but it goes against the community guidelines and guess who has written that guide? ;)
 
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