First cycle, Sust- prop, Drol

[Spencer87]

So Im doing Test Sust 500mg a week for week 1-10, and then switching to Test Prop 10-13
Which means I can start PCT a week after finishing.
Im also taking 25mg of anadrol for weeks 1-4

First Cycle. PCT will be Nolva... and possibly Clomid if I can get my hands on some.

Got an AI on hand just in case... Lets get Jacked...

 

[tbonexl]

Not a great first cycle. Stick to just test preferably test e. It has just one ester in it. Sust has many different esters in it and can be difficult managing estrogen. You will need to use an ai and should get clomid for pct too. Read up on the beginner cycle stickys for info on everything you need for a first cycle.

 

[Spencer87]

Not a great first cycle. Stick to just test preferably test e. It has just one ester in it. Sust has many different esters in it and can be difficult managing estrogen. You will need to use an ai and should get clomid for pct too. Read up on the beginner cycle stickys for info on everything you need for a first cycle.

Thanks for the info. I've done quite a bit of research, which is why I'm switching to prop on the last few weeks.

The drol is at low dose.

I have the AI.

I'm only 1.5 weeks in reckon I should start taking it anyways? I'll see about the clomid. Probably can't hurt to add it in

 

[Rockymtn]

Not a great first cycle. Stick to just test preferably test e. It has just one ester in it. Sust has many different esters in it and can be difficult managing estrogen. You will need to use an ai and should get clomid for pct too. Read up on the beginner cycle stickys for info on everything you need for a first cycle.

Right on point!^
Also "YOU NEED TO GET BLOODWORK DONE BEFORE STARTING"!!
You will know better how to manage your cycle better & safely return to normal after is over!
Go to privatemdlabs.com
You are the only one that sees the results.
You can get this done for less than $100.00
Don't skip this step. Specially if this will be your first cycle.

 

[Spencer87]

I'm 2 weeks in to my first cycle already and I've done lots of research already....
Been straight reading since October when I decided to do it.

Just more wondering if I should take AI before any symptoms come on or if I should just wait and see. . I've got Anazole

 

[3J]

youve done all that research and this poor excuse for a cycle is what you came up with??

doesn't seem to me like youve done research at all..

what are your stats?

age
weight
height
bodyfat

I'm 2 weeks in to my first cycle already and I've done lots of research already....
Been straight reading since October when I decided to do it.

Just more wondering if I should take AI before any symptoms come on or if I should just wait and see. . I've got Anazole

 

[oldmusclemike]

I'm 2 weeks in to my first cycle already and I've done lots of research already....
Been straight reading since October when I decided to do it.

Just more wondering if I should take AI before any symptoms come on or if I should just wait and see. . I've got Anazole

Now ya see with all your research it doesn't seem you understand what an Ai is for. Your need to keep your E2 in balance. When your test goes up so will you estradiol E2.

An Ai is preventive medicine. There are a host of unwanted side effects. . Just one side is Gyno. If you see it then it is too late so now you have to stop it and reverse it.

An analogy , when working on a roof would you wait until you are in free fall to then tie your rope off. Test is a big compound causing Aromatizing. Learn the basic steroid profiles.

Start the Ai now , should have been with the start. There are articles on here helping you dose and learn your PCT.

High Estrogen Side Effects:
- Gynecomastia
- Anxiety & panic attacks
- Depression
- Erectile dysfunction
- Water retention
- High blood pressure
- Loss of balance/instability/dizziness
- Respiratory related concerns
- Irritability
- Low libido
- Insomnia
- Prostate related issues
- Crying like a little girl and being emotional all the time

The sides of Low are very similar

Your Stats???

 

[tbonexl]

youve done all that research and this poor excuse for a cycle is what you came up with??

doesn't seem to me like youve done research at all..

what are your stats?

age
weight
height
bodyfat

I'm with 3j on this one. How can you research first cycles since October and come up with this disaster? There is no fucking way that's even possible! Then to say it wouldn't hurt to throw clomid in too. Bud, you probably did as much research as it took you to type out o-c-t-o-b-e-r. Your playing with hormones. They can and will do a great harm to your body without the proper precautions taken...

 

[Spencer87]

Yea. Most of the my research has been with a couple guys I know who already have extensive experience using.

I've seen many people who are doing sust and drol on their first cycle. I've researched the time it takes for the Esters to take effect and the half life of each compound . I've read that many people suggest a Nolva only pct is fine but that Clomid is also useful.

My buddy said that the AI should be taken from any side effects or from week 4.

Ive researched and implemented a steady and good diet.....

Yes the information on AI and hcg was a little lacking but I found that doing hcg on cycle is not the best (although some think it is, there are differing thoughts)
Researched the side effects. And I'm still continuing my research to what I believe is the best way.... By asking people with experience.

It seems all I get here is people not really giving me information.... And just telling me to go do research.

Yes... Maybe I did miss some things that I should have asked about but wasn't sure where to ask or that I should have asked. But I had friends on call should any problems arise.... So
I came on here on cycle to get more info.

 

[Spencer87]

On top it seems that some people think you should take An AI and some think only if you start to get symptoms.

My stats are

29yo
87kg
193cm
BF 12%

 

[tbonexl]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

Here ya go

 

[Milton]

On top it seems that some people think you should take An AI and some think only if you start to get symptoms.

Thats an ongoing incorrect notion with nebies.
You should read and learn for yourself.

 

[oldmusclemike]

On top it seems that some people think you should take An AI and some think only if you start to get symptoms.

My stats are

29yo
87kg
193cm
BF 12%

There is NO OPINION in that an AI is preventative, what don't you understand. If you read up and learn just what the body does AS SOON AS you inject exogenous testosterone in a man you would KNOW. You wouldn't say he or she says and then who is right.

Get blood work as said. Monitor you estradiol with BW. Control your E2 by using and AI. CONTROL not let it derail and then get it back on track. I gave you an example and that one really pertains only to Gyno the most.

 

[Spencer87]

Hmm yea. The problem is that blood work is hard to get here. It's usually has to have a reason.

The thing is I did read ALOT. but on everything there is a difference of opinion. One post I read said that some people are prone to having high levels of estrogen, and some people are not and that you shouldn't take it unless you have symptoms because it's good to know how test works with you etc etc.

Anyways.... I started taking it anyways. Anazole....

Let me know if this is good then, taking a quarter of a pill (which is 0.25mg) EOD? Should I up the dose??

 

[tbonexl]

Hmm yea. The problem is that blood work is hard to get here. It's usually has to have a reason.

The thing is I did read ALOT. but on everything there is a difference of opinion. One post I read said that some people are prone to having high levels of estrogen, and some people are not and that you shouldn't take it unless you have symptoms because it's good to know how test works with you etc etc.

Anyways.... I started taking it anyways. Anazole....

Let me know if this is good then, taking a quarter of a pill (which is 0.25mg) EOD? Should I up the dose??

Unfortunately, you need bloodwork to know if that dose is working. You can't go by feel. That is impossible to do on a first cycle.