First Cycle: Test-E. Endurance athlete.

[NarcisPrince]

*First injectable cycle, but I have used PH, var and Winstrol (winny) orally in the past.

Stats:
27
5'11
160lbs now (naturally 172, meaning my cardio and diet have been structured purposely for cutting pre-cycle)

Cycle: (currently 7 days in)
Weeks 1-10: Test-E @ 500mg/w (splitting dosage)
Creatine-EE: 5g/d
AI if needed

PCT:
Weeks 13-17: I have nolva, clomid, and HCG on hand but still processing exact routine.

Goals:
Vanity and strength (at least I am honest?) I will be running a half iron man in the spring so gaining a ton of weight is of no value to me.

I compete in half-ironmans, so even now months away from next race I am still running 60 miles a week, on top of normal cardio/lifting which keeps my weight down. I will be doing high rep workouts for the most part. A ton of long distance swimming and biking as well.

I eat very clean, and count my daily cals. Everyone's body is different so I can't stand when people push a fad diet. What works for my body (and I've tried it all) is 45/45/10 % ratio (Prot/Carb/Fat). Those are the %'s I take in for a normal day of calories for each macro-nutrient. I am not going to change ratio's, but I will be bumping up my total cals per day by around 800. I was taking in 1800-2200 and will be closer to 3000 daily.

Feel free to pick my brain, or throw me your opinions/suggestions on anything. Much appreciated fellas!
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Week 1: Both the Mon and Fri injects swelled up. 12 hours post pin I felt like Verlander hit me with a 4 seam fastball, but nothing IBprofen couldn't rid. I assume most likely due to high BA (from UGL) or possibly the nervous girl who shook like Muhammad Ali on blow when pinning in my glute. I also use 1" (I know, I know 1.5" for glute) which may cause oil to be resting subq, but I've done enough research to be confident even if it goes SubQ it's going to be absorbed, and that's what I had on hand. Is it odd that I had ZERO blood after both pins? I mean not even a drop. Yes, I did have her aspirate.

-Libido up (possibly placebo)
-Already gained 3 LBS (purely from my diet)
-BP raised, assuming from gear

 

[bikerjohn]

Sounds good!

I'm a rookie, so don't expect advice from me, but I have a question. Are you planning to train harder now? Or are you just sticking to your old training schedule and expect to get stronger?

 

[NarcisPrince]

Sounds good!

I'm a rookie, so don't expect advice from me, but I have a question. Are you planning to train harder now? Or are you just sticking to your old training schedule and expect to get stronger?

I will be training much harder/longer as far as my weight room routine, but I will still be more focused on high rep and super sets which are more suitable for my desired goals physically. The cardio is already pretty extensive and mapped out so that won't change much.

 

[bikerjohn]

Ok. Great. Good luck and have fun!

 

[BigDrew]

What gauge are you using? I am a noob too, I am doing a Dbol Test E, starting tomorrow...500 Mg Test 2x a week, I got 23 gauge 1in pins

 

[bikerjohn]

I'm also curious. I'm personally using for my Test C. a 20ga to draw and 25ga to inject (1.5in for glutes).

 

[NarcisPrince]

thanks all!

I'm using an 18 to draw, and a 25 1 inch to pin. I went glutes for first two pins, and quad for third. Some say 1.5 is necessary for glutes, but at 8% BF and 163 lbs I don't see the .5 being an issue to get intramuscular. Also, from years of research I lean toward the parties who say even if injected Subq, it is still absorbed just at a slower pace.

23 is actually better Drew, I am jealous. The pin itself doesn't hurt at all, it's the muscle afterwards from too much pressure (injecting too fast) or shaking, which I seem to do because the pin is so small it's tough to squeeze the oil through.

The dbol should give you a great start until the test kicks in 3-5 weeks. I've used it in the past, and found the only issue with it to be severe "back pumps" and leg cramps if pushed beyond the dose your body can handle.

 

[ozzyozzy21]

Good luck! I'll try to check in from time to time. Should be intresting with your goals and your starting point of 8%bf. I'm running this for PCT
Blast Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 1000iu eod for 10 days starting day after last pin then waiting 4 days after that (till Test E ester clears) then running Clomid 50/50/50/50. I also have Nolva as I was planning to run it with clomid for PCT, but since, I've decided not to run it since it lowers IGF levels. If you do choose to run nolva I'd suggest adding it to the clomid at 40/40/20/20. As far as Aromatase inhibitor (AI), I'm also of the camp that believes you should run it when you feel you need it. I started feeling run down about 5 weeks into a 13 week cycle so I started a low dose of aromasin (12.5 EOD) till the end of the cycle. Good luck bro! Hope some of this helps!

 

[NarcisPrince]

Good luck! I'll try to check in from time to time. Should be intresting with your goals and your starting point of 8%bf. I'm running this for PCT
Blast Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 1000iu eod for 10 days starting day after last pin then waiting 4 days after that (till Test E ester clears) then running Clomid 50/50/50/50. I also have Nolva as I was planning to run it with clomid for PCT, but since, I've decided not to run it since it lowers IGF levels. If you do choose to run nolva I'd suggest adding it to the clomid at 40/40/20/20. As far as Aromatase inhibitor (AI), I'm also of the camp that believes you should run it when you feel you need it. I started feeling run down about 5 weeks into a 13 week cycle so I started a low dose of aromasin (12.5 EOD) till the end of the cycle. Good luck bro! Hope some of this helps!

Thanks for all the info, much appreciated! The Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) info is just what I needed, and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) wise I think that's the smartest decision (to wait and see affects) and that's certainly what I will do.

I've always been intrigued on the 2 week rather than 3 week start up for Nolva/Clomid. If the half life is 7 days, one should be at 250 after a week, and 125 after 2 weeks, and after week 3 it's 75 (which is much closer to our normal range). I think I may wait until week 3 to start nolva/clomid to see if I can get more bang for my buck.

 

[NarcisPrince]

14 days in, (5 pins down)

Libido up drastically
Aggression/Blood Pressure up
Slight moon face
Up 4 lbs (due to diet and lack of cardio I am sure)

I haven't seen any significant strength gains, nor am I expecting to this early. However, I pumped out sets 3 x 35 reps on incline with the same weight I normally do 4 x 25 with. With that light of weight it could have been pre-workout supplement for all I know.

Will post pics and actual #'s soon.

 

[mopboy70]

Good luck, NarcisPrince. I'm close to your weight so I'll watch this log and root for ya.

Have you thought about your PCT, specifically the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosage?

 

[Nalgene]

Any updates on this? It's good to hear a cycle from an endurance athlete.

 

[Celflex]

Good stuff here. What's does Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) do?

6ft 200
I'm on week 4 test e 500ml a week.
Liquid nolva and some clomid pills on deck for post cycle therapy (pct).
I bridged in on my hdrol cycle on week 4 because I
Just did't think it was working(also i dont trust amazon as a ph source) and finally found a test source .
But in this span of 8 weeks I've gained 10lbs( never have I been able to break 200lbs & I did)
Libido through the roof, nips hard not puffy, lethargic in the morning and have been working out at noon because of it.
I'm shut down, balls shrunk. Kinda Freeks me out.

All my weights are up, and I'm really starting to increase the intensity over the next 6 weeks.

 

[SicVic]

Good luck! I'll try to check in from time to time. Should be intresting with your goals and your starting point of 8%bf. I'm running this for PCT
Blast Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 1000iu eod for 10 days starting day after last pin then waiting 4 days after that (till Test E ester clears) then running Clomid 50/50/50/50. I also have Nolva as I was planning to run it with clomid for PCT, but since, I've decided not to run it since it lowers IGF levels. If you do choose to run nolva I'd suggest adding it to the clomid at 40/40/20/20. As far as Aromatase inhibitor (AI), I'm also of the camp that believes you should run it when you feel you need it. I started feeling run down about 5 weeks into a 13 week cycle so I started a low dose of aromasin (12.5 EOD) till the end of the cycle. Good luck bro! Hope some of this helps!

yeah but does it make much of a difference???? Do your IGF-1 Levels come back?????????????

 

[SicVic]

Good stuff here. What's does Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) do?

6ft 200
I'm on week 4 test e 500ml a week.
Liquid nolva and some clomid pills on deck for post cycle therapy (pct).
I bridged in on my hdrol cycle on week 4 because I
Just did't think it was working(also i dont trust amazon as a ph source) and finally found a test source .
But in this span of 8 weeks I've gained 10lbs( never have I been able to break 200lbs & I did)
Libido through the roof, nips hard not puffy, lethargic in the morning and have been working out at noon because of it.
I'm shut down, balls shrunk. Kinda Freeks me out.

All my weights are up, and I'm really starting to increase the intensity over the next 6 weeks.

HCG tells your balls to keep workin and producing natty test in stuff. Used during cycle so you can recover faster and easier during yor PCT.

 

[SicVic]

Good stuff here. What's does Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) do?

6ft 200
I'm on week 4 test e 500ml a week.
Liquid nolva and some clomid pills on deck for post cycle therapy (pct).
I bridged in on my hdrol cycle on week 4 because I
Just did't think it was working(also i dont trust amazon as a ph source) and finally found a test source .
But in this span of 8 weeks I've gained 10lbs( never have I been able to break 200lbs & I did)
Libido through the roof, nips hard not puffy, lethargic in the morning and have been working out at noon because of it.
I'm shut down, balls shrunk. Kinda Freeks me out.

All my weights are up, and I'm really starting to increase the intensity over the next 6 weeks.

You almost made me poop my draws, Thinking you meant you where gonna Bridge your cycle with Hdrol. Rofl.