First cycle test only

[balboa270]

Cobraaaaaa come here

 

[Cobra Strike]

I am here lol

 

[balboa270]

I am here lol

My bad I saw you already jumped that ass before I called out the sos

 

[bigherm2121]

I used just clomid on my test only cycle at 50/4 weeks I came back great. The Shits cheap might is well run both. I don't under estimate anything when it comes down to getting my levels back.

 

[Swamp Thing]

Researchers were also conducting GnRH stimulation tests before and after various points of treatment with Nolvadex and Clomid, and the two drugs had markedly different results. These tests involved infusing patients with 100mcg of GnRH and measuring the output of pituitary LH in response. The focus of this test is to see how sensitive the pituitary is to Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone. The more sensitive the pituitary, the more LH will be released. The tests showed that after ten days of treatment with Nolvadex, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH increased slightly compared to pre-treated values. This is contrast to 10 days of treatment with 150mg Clomid, which was shown to consistently DECREASE pituitary sensitivity to GnRH (more LH was released before treatment). As the study with Nolvadex progresses to 6 weeks, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH was significantly higher than pre-treated or 10-day levels. At this point the same 20mg dosage was also raising testosterone and LH levels to an average of 183% and 172% of base values, respectively, which again is measurably higher than what was noted 10 days into therapy. Within 10 days of treatment Clomid is already exerting an effect that is causing the pituitary to become slightly desensitized to GnRH, while prolonged use of Nolvadex serves only to increase pituitary sensitivity to this hormone. That is not to say Clomid won't increase testosterone if taken for the same 6 week time period. Quite the opposite is true. But we are, however, noticing an advantage in Nolvadex.


The Estrogen Clomid

The above discrepancies are likely explained by differences in the estrogenic nature of the two compounds. The researchers' clearly support this theory when commenting in their paper, "The difference in response might be attributable to the weak intrinsic estrogenic effect of Clomid, which in this study manifested itself by an increase in transcortin and testosterone/estradiol-binding globulin [SHBG] levels; this increase was not observed after tamoxifen treatment". In reviewing other theories later in the paper, such as interference by increased androgen or estrogen levels, they persist in noting that increases in these hormones were similar with both drug treatments, and state that," …a role of the intrinsic estrogenic activity of Clomid which is practically absent in Tamoxifen seems the most probable explanation".

It's not hard to find. Go to google and type in Clomid vs Nolva and you get several research studies.... Nolva is stronger mg/mg and works better, especially over a 4 week or more period.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Researchers were also conducting GnRH stimulation tests before and after various points of treatment with Nolvadex and Clomid, and the two drugs had markedly different results. These tests involved infusing patients with 100mcg of GnRH and measuring the output of pituitary LH in response. The focus of this test is to see how sensitive the pituitary is to Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone. The more sensitive the pituitary, the more LH will be released. The tests showed that after ten days of treatment with Nolvadex, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH increased slightly compared to pre-treated values. This is contrast to 10 days of treatment with 150mg Clomid, which was shown to consistently DECREASE pituitary sensitivity to GnRH (more LH was released before treatment). As the study with Nolvadex progresses to 6 weeks, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH was significantly higher than pre-treated or 10-day levels. At this point the same 20mg dosage was also raising testosterone and LH levels to an average of 183% and 172% of base values, respectively, which again is measurably higher than what was noted 10 days into therapy. Within 10 days of treatment Clomid is already exerting an effect that is causing the pituitary to become slightly desensitized to GnRH, while prolonged use of Nolvadex serves only to increase pituitary sensitivity to this hormone. That is not to say Clomid won't increase testosterone if taken for the same 6 week time period. Quite the opposite is true. But we are, however, noticing an advantage in Nolvadex.


The Estrogen Clomid

The above discrepancies are likely explained by differences in the estrogenic nature of the two compounds. The researchers' clearly support this theory when commenting in their paper, "The difference in response might be attributable to the weak intrinsic estrogenic effect of Clomid, which in this study manifested itself by an increase in transcortin and testosterone/estradiol-binding globulin [SHBG] levels; this increase was not observed after tamoxifen treatment". In reviewing other theories later in the paper, such as interference by increased androgen or estrogen levels, they persist in noting that increases in these hormones were similar with both drug treatments, and state that," …a role of the intrinsic estrogenic activity of Clomid which is practically absent in Tamoxifen seems the most probable explanation".

It's not hard to find. Go to google and type in Clomid vs Nolva and you get several research studies.... Nolva is stronger mg/mg and works better, especially over a 4 week or more period.

Bro you can post this type of shit all day but for every study you find like this there is Proly one out there that says the opposite....wether nolva is stronger then clomid idc....what I do care about is which one is best at restoring the hpta and in that case the real answer to a great pct is to use both as previously stated and i think your going to find that to argue this point with what has been tried and true for decades will be extremely tough for you. Like I said before.....personal experience trumps all so whatever you think works the best for you then by all means continue down your path of knowledge....but that doesn't mean its going to work the same for the masses. I personally will not trust my hpta recovery on nolva alone...to risky but that's my path of knowledge....

Appreciate you showing us the study though bro

 

[Dr. Steal]

Enathe, so what do you guys think for a first cycle?

Go 400-500 mg pinning half on monday half on thursday.


Adex is ok every other day in a low dose or you could just take it when/if gyno rears its ugly head.

As far as post cycle therapy (pct) read the "standard post cycle therapy (pct)" sticky on the front page. I followed it to the T for my firsties and I kept 13 lbs of my 24 lb gain...Not bad since I ran an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) the whole time and really watched my diet..

I ran Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout my cycle and really had good results.

Cobra nailed it for ya he will not steer you wrong..

 

[Dr. Steal]

Bro you can post this type of shit all day but for every study you find like this there is Proly one out there that says the opposite....wether nolva is stronger then clomid idc....what I do care about is which one is best at restoring the hpta and in that case the real answer to a great post cycle therapy (pct) is to use both as previously stated and i think your going to find that to argue this point with what has been tried and true for decades will be extremely tough for you. Like I said before.....personal experience trumps all so whatever you think works the best for you then by all means continue down your path of knowledge....but that doesn't mean its going to work the same for the masses. I personally will not trust my hpta recovery on nolva alone...to risky but that's my path of knowledge....

Appreciate you showing us the study though bro

Amen brother.

I read the same study before my firsties and was talked into running the combo . No complaints here worked great for me. I was a lil cranky/emotional but hey if you cannot pay the toll don't drive down the road.