Hey guys, I just started my first cycle of test prop a week ago. It's 100mg per 1ml, I'm dosing @ .5ml EOD worried that it may not be as effective. Should I go to .75 eod? And also I have liquid letro on hand in case of gyno and liquid tamox for my pct...should I use letro daily and when should I start the tamox after last injection and how much? It's by RUI, 20mg per 1ml. If someone could help me out that would be greatly appreciated!
First Cycle (Test Prop Only)
- Thread starter BEnos321
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Onk
1kg = 2.20 lbs
letro doesn;t help with gyno. it stops testosterone aromatising into estrogen and causing gyno due to the high levels. that's why it's called an Aromatose Inhibitor (AI).
why the fuck would you want to stop gyno once you've already got it anyway? do you want bitch tits?
use the ai during the cycle to keep your E2 levels in check and NOT GET GYNO
What's up with all these threads with letro? That stuff is way too strong for what your doing. Pick up don adex or Aromasin. Letro will surely crash your estrogen and put you in a world of shit. Really you should just stop your cycle now. Your using a worthless amount of test and not even close to having everything you need. Basically your wasting your time and money...
I chose prop because I'll be competing nov 7 and don't need the water weight. Actually the prop is definitely effective and working at .75 strength and endurance has went up alot from day 1. I just decided to use tamox 20mg daily just to prevent sides. Felt like shit after using letro
omgmike1
New member
Yea, guys above are right.
Ur first cycle.. U want to pin less. Why would u be taking Test Prop, liquid AI and Liquid PCT?
Just do the same as the thousands of others done their first cycle.
500mg Test E EW (pin e3d for stable bloods)
.5mg Adex AI (tablet e3d, up if needed.. .5 usually works for most ppl on 500mg, but it's individual)
250 IU HCG (subQ e3d at 500IU a week, Make sure u do this. Hardest part on PCT is growing testes back to normal size)
Run that for 13-16 weeks.
After last week, wait 3 weeks running HCG and AI only.
Then, PCT time:
Clomid Tab 50/25/25/25
Nova Tab 40/20/20/20
4 weeks total, Don't run HCG/AI during this
Basically just spoon fed u the entire thing there man and keep in mind, if ur diet ain't in check. U will gain pretty much nothing from this. For some reason everyone expects some insane gains first time around and just rely on the gear, but it requires so much more than that in the end
Ur first cycle.. U want to pin less. Why would u be taking Test Prop, liquid AI and Liquid PCT?
Just do the same as the thousands of others done their first cycle.
500mg Test E EW (pin e3d for stable bloods)
.5mg Adex AI (tablet e3d, up if needed.. .5 usually works for most ppl on 500mg, but it's individual)
250 IU HCG (subQ e3d at 500IU a week, Make sure u do this. Hardest part on PCT is growing testes back to normal size)
Run that for 13-16 weeks.
After last week, wait 3 weeks running HCG and AI only.
Then, PCT time:
Clomid Tab 50/25/25/25
Nova Tab 40/20/20/20
4 weeks total, Don't run HCG/AI during this
Basically just spoon fed u the entire thing there man and keep in mind, if ur diet ain't in check. U will gain pretty much nothing from this. For some reason everyone expects some insane gains first time around and just rely on the gear, but it requires so much more than that in the end
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Thanks alot man and I'm going to probably just stop taking this before anything negative happens and do as you said. I've only injected about 6MLS total from the bottle over 1.5 weeks or so. When I jump off of this would I just take my liquid tamox 40/40/20/20? And how soon would I start this? Just injected today before the gym
Onk
1kg = 2.20 lbs
juced_porkchop
Moderator
lord.... why would you pick prop for first cycle?....
teste 2x a week for 12-14 weeks, AI during and PCT of tamox AND clomid for 4-5 weeks....
you dont use AI WHEN YOU SEE gyno, you use it to prevent high estrogen during cycle, gyno is only one thing related to that. even if you dont see gyno you cans till have very high estrogen and thats not healthy.... letro is VERY strong.... for a first timer i would have rec dex, but i do use letro as my main AI. dose letro like so; 0.25 E3D from START of cycle to start of pct, end it as PCT begins...
also your test dose is low...
i highly rec you just stop everything, no shots, no PCT (its only been a week you will be fine) and do a few months of research before you go using things you dont have knowledge in..... all this should been talked about and researched before every buying anything..
good luck
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juced_porkchop
Moderator
day one is placebo...
also tamox DOESNT FIX SIDES OR ISSUE OR LOWER ESROGEN, IT COVERS UP THE ISSUE LIKE A BANDAID! you will still have high estro and be asking for health issues... use an AI....
and water weight? its the same crap and if using an AI then that would not be much of an issue. do you even know WHY some steroids add a bit of water? did you know that it goes away after cycle? did you knwo using an AI helps this? did you know tamox wont?
who told you to do these things man? must be an old bber thats outof date
please take our advice because as someone with many many years of exp not just in research but actually doign things.... im telling you you are lost here... eg. some here willl even say never use letro... bull shit.... they dont know how to dose it, the fact it takes weeks to ntice, or notice changes in dose, and tend to use too much or up the dose too fast thinking one week at new dose is enough... i can go on and on. point is letro is fine to use and i use it as main AI now and that you really do not grasp what you are doing and are asking for trouble... please listen man
juced_porkchop
Moderator
1 or 2 weeks of tamox for a mini pct is fine. its only been a couple weeks. prob wouldent even do a pct tbh. but 1-2 weeks prob wont hurt.
good luck
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