First Cycle, Tren/Test Prop/Dbol

[oliver_holes]

HI everyone, Im Darrell! Brand new to this Forum/site. First, i want to say, I love reading all of your post. Some crack me up, some just make me google to understand it more in depth. So anyway, Glad to be apart of the team!!

Here is my question::: Im getting ready to start my very first cycle/stack. Thing is, ive been reading, researching, reading some more and I just cant get a clear understanding. I know there are going to be a few of you bust my chops on haven't read enough then.... so im prepared for that. But Ive literally took notes, bookmarked, double/triple search the same theory to get the concept from everything. So here is where Im at....


Im 26 (be 27 in just a 2 months) very healthy. 6'2" BW=210-215 Not cut. I have very large hams/quads. I cant really hit them too hard as they grow really fast. My diet is really strict and low fat/high protein/mildly carbs. Im taking in 400-20 grams of protein and 38-4000 cal. Just started this bulking. it was tough eating that much but after a couple days its nothing. Mostly chicken/steak/salmon/eggs/ fruits/veggies/milk/wheat/yogurt. 8 meals a day. i work building wind turbines so i climb 300 ft 1-6 times a day in 10-12 hour day then the gym 6-days a week...

So......

I already know that i should run a test on the first cycle and any cycle for that matter. Im on a bulking stage and not caring about cutting until April of 2012.

And ive always been really tolerant to doc meds and OTC meds and stimulants and as a teen rec drugs.... Just trying to give everyone all the info I can think would help ..

Test-Prop
Tren From Finaplix
Im wanting to run a 8 week cycle ( i guess, like I say, just putting together from researching, Im fine with 12-week. Just what ever you guys rec. again. Not saying im starting tomorrow im just making conversation and learning first. this questing seems to be redundant for some I know and can tell from the responses) then cycle off for the length of the cycle?

Ive already bought my tren. im just waiting to get the test-prop and anything else i need before I start.

How should I cycle in?
How long should I cycle?
Should I start the cycle with dbol? again, from what Ive read to get the ball rolling.

and I know I should use one of these
clomid?
Nolva?
Torimefine?

Ive also read about taking T3 (25mcgs/day)?? not sure that either? I just need help on a schedule and a stack/cycle. again. I do want to use the test-prop and tren.. thanks in advance, Darrell

PS..I would prefer to take Tren 75/ed instead of 150 eod

Should this stack/cycle ( any for that matter) be taken upon waking up or before bed?

I apologize for the ignorance.. But the way I see it, Its no difference than being in the gym/around buddy's and getting some advice on some form/diet/sets/reps

 

[ErectusMaximus]

The thing is you wanna start with a test only to observe side effects.

You can try a 500mg per week of test E. So thats two 250mg shots a week spread out best as possible.

You can probrably get away with 5 weeks of Dbol @ 40 mg a day, but you may want to just stick with test.

Tren on the other hand can cause a lot of side effects so its better to learn how to schedule a test cycle and post cycle therapy (pct) at the right time 1st.

If its test E start post cycle therapy (pct) 2 weeks after last shot. 40/40/20/20 nolva ( thats mg a day weeks 1-4) and you SHOULD take 50 mg of clomid a day for 28 days too.

Your not going to get a lot of support using tren on cycle # 1... its usually cycle 3-4 that you incorporate it. If you can't resist the urge to add another compound go with the Dbol.

 

[UserAt204]

^^^^. This. Thanks for all the details and welcome to the board.

Now for the cycle, test only to see how you tolerate it. Test can and will aromatise estro and so will dbol. Tren can cause an increase in prolactin. So they each can produce very similar sides(gyno, high BP, acne, limp dick) but as a first time, you won't know what's causing the sides or how to treat them.

Don't be in such a rush. Run the test, then next time around use the test/dbol and after that you could give the tren a try. This isn't a race and you want to be safe. Most people tolerate these compounds fairly well but everyone will be different. I know guys who have used tren for years and recently it caused bad anxiety among other things.

I say start with test only.

 

[China_Wall]

seems he's pretty dead-set on running the test prop/tren ace cycle so let's give him the best advice on how to go ahead with that... I think it should look something like this

weeks 1-4
40mg dbol ed
weeks 1-8
test prop 100mg/tren ace 75mg ed
weeks 10-13
50mg clomid/20mg nolva ed

eat lots, train hard and get enough rest... should work well bro

 

[oliver_holes]

^^^^. This. Thanks for all the details and welcome to the board.

Now for the cycle, test only to see how you tolerate it. Test can and will aromatise estro and so will dbol. Tren can cause an increase in prolactin. So they each can produce very similar sides(gyno, high BP, acne, limp dick) but as a first time, you won't know what's causing the sides or how to treat them.

Don't be in such a rush. Run the test, then next time around use the test/dbol and after that you could give the tren a try. This isn't a race and you want to be safe. Most people tolerate these compounds fairly well but everyone will be different. I know guys who have used tren for years and recently it caused bad anxiety among other things.

I say start with test only.

ok... Thanks everyone for the input and feedback.. First of all I am in no rush but I do want to get things moving as far a cycles go. I have about 6 months before i think about cutting.... so....

From my responses to everywhere I can search, first cycle using test is the most rec. So im gonna go with that...

Ok. test prop is easier for me to obtain. (i really dont know where to get the e pwder) so would you rec. test prop and dbol. seeing how dbol retains water so stacking dbol and test prop? how would that sound? if this is ok. should i start with the dbol then go to test prop..
wk 1-4 dbol
wk 3-10 test
wk 12-16 clomid

that's something im looking for ( not saying that is what is best or rec. but this is the kinda advice im looking for so to speak) and how much quantity...

 

[LebanonDon]

I think you should use search bar and find a better layout. keep in mind i never took prop, my advice is stuff ive read here.

-run it for 8 weeks not 7
-100-150mg injected EOD (mg for mg prop is stronger then test e)
-you want start the dbol the same day you inject
-PCT starts 5 days after last injection with prop cause of short esters

dont rely on my advice for your cycle research some more on your own, gl with your cycle!

 

[oliver_holes]

seems he's pretty dead-set on running the test prop/tren ace cycle so let's give him the best advice on how to go ahead with that... I think it should look something like this

weeks 1-4
40mg dbol ed
weeks 1-8
test prop 100mg/tren ace 75mg ed
weeks 10-13
50mg clomid/20mg nolva ed

eat lots, train hard and get enough rest... should work well bro

Im eating this now.. how does it look for this cycle....

For the most part, Mon-Fri
330am
preworkout drink, banana, half bagle

530am
two scoops of whey
10-12 oz of egg whites
half bagle with peanut butter
1 fruit cup of peaches
1 pack of animal vitamin
2 cups of OJ

9 or 930am
wheat bread peanut butter and banana sandwich.
1 cup of Low Fat yogurt

12 or 1230 pm
Dark green salad with grilled chicken
2 scoops whey with cup of 2% milk rest water.
1 fruit cup of pineapple chunks

3-330pm
wheat bread turkey and cheese sandwich
1 cup of yogurt

530-630
10-12 oz steak
1 cup of brown rice

before bed.
2 scoops of casein protein

 

[oliver_holes]

Im eating this now.. how does it look for this cycle....

should i take dbol oral or use the injections.... also.how would you rate the Russian kind.. not real sure whats allowed to say or ask here.

 

[InDecaWeTrust]

May I chime in and say I ran tren ace homebrewed on my first cycle. You will see great gains in size and strength but do not for one second think you are going to get a 100% yield on your homebrew fina concoction. But still tren is a very very powerful steroid and even a little can go a long ass way with a diet and training. May I recommend that you may not know which drug is causing which sides but to keep some major one in perspective expect the possibility of:
Test: Bloat to the extreme seemed to happen on my first cycle and alot of others see alot of bloat on their first ever cycles, increased appetite, increased sex drive
Tren: Insomnia, night sweats, lethargy, aggression, sexual dysfunction and/or anorgasmia, joint pain

 

[frazier512]

hey deca, dont give this kind of advice on here my man, i understand u r not word for word telling him to run tren but he does not need to do this, as u said he will not know which chem is causing the sides. he needs to run test ONLY! this is protocol for first cycle, he needs to see how his body will react with the test before combining other chems. 1st cycle IMO should always be 400-600mg test/week for 10 to 14 weeks,

 

[oliver_holes]

hey deca, dont give this kind of advice on here my man, i understand u r not word for word telling him to run tren but he does not need to do this, as u said he will not know which chem is causing the sides. he needs to run test ONLY! this is protocol for first cycle, he needs to see how his body will react with the test before combining other chems. 1st cycle IMO should always be 400-600mg test/week for 10 to 14 weeks,

i live in the usa so...

with my rookie knowledge, so far I only have access to test prop.. will that suffice for first cycle.. if so, how should i cycle on/off and should i take anything else with it

 

[frazier512]

u will need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand in case of sides, adex is good. and u will also need a proper pct. IMO just clomid at 50mg/day for 4 weeks will do it

 

[InDecaWeTrust]

hey deca, dont give this kind of advice on here my man, i understand u r not word for word telling him to run tren but he does not need to do this, as u said he will not know which chem is causing the sides. he needs to run test ONLY! this is protocol for first cycle, he needs to see how his body will react with the test before combining other chems. 1st cycle IMO should always be 400-600mg test/week for 10 to 14 weeks,

Well I was given that same advise and it did not exactly sink in. And sir I do not recommend you use tren unless you want a very harsh post cycle therapy (pct) and know for sure you wanna keep doing this... You are risking alot using tren but you are going to do what you want in the end I would just hope you consider that you can reap great gains off 500mg test alone.