First cycle: Winstrol and Trem

[dagoberto]

Hello everyone,
after having been thinking about it for 4 years I decided to practise body building using some steroids.
As I have a very big problem with aromatase (it come out looking out for other things) my PT suggested me to use some anabolic coumpound that will not turn into Estrogen.
So finally, after talking a bit about it we decided to go on Stanozolol + tremb.

I talk about it with a friend of mine that is inside BB too and but he disagreed with my PT about the cycle.

My trainer told me to make a 6 weeks cycle this way:

first 3 weeks: 50ml Winstrol twice a week
second 3 weekd: 1ml Tremb once a week.

My friend, instead, thought that was better something like this:

5 weeks: 50 ml winstrol twice a week and 1 ml tremb once a week

My personal trainer told me that he thinks that it's better not combining them in order to avoid side effects and to study how my body reacts to a first cycle of steroids in life.

What do you think about these solutions?
What are the pros and cons?

 

[Wildbill281]

Whats your stats! I'd fire my PT! Do some more research first!

 

[Teutonic]

Idiotic idea .

Tell him the consensus of those who know think he s a dumb ass giving out reckless inormation with no regard to your well being. Stupid fuck.

And I quess he is the one who can get you the gear right ?

Your dick will be dead in 2 weeks or less and take who know s how long to recover.

After this run you may be as fukked in the head as I am .

Age height weight bodyfat, caloeric intake training history..
Have a very pleasant day...

 

[Rocket Man]

Well first of all Welcome my Brother... Man what is that cycle good for.. Tell me bro, what do YOU want to get out of that. R U wanting to lose some weight just a little. Please do what wildbill said and get back with us so we can better help us on this quest and be safe... There is stuff around to help with the estrogen..
Peace

 

[Rocket Man]

Well, I was breaking it to him softly but damn tonic you spoke out loud and you are so right.....

 

[dagoberto]

Well bothers I really appreciate your suggestions, I'm here as I had some doubts and I like to receive your suggestions and point of view.

Anyway I'm 31, 1,70, 68 kg weight. caucasian.
I have been training quite regularly since 2004.

My girlfriend is a doctor and she studies endocrinology here we talked about it too (I'm not that dumb).
We avoided testo because in my past we noticed a strange behaviour.
For unrelated reasons I took A5R inhibitors. As I took them, almost instantly, I noticed that my water retention spinned to the sky and I had clear sign of catabolism. She suggested me to take a bit of nolvadex to contain the side effects. but it didn't helped that much as, after a blood exam, we found DHT levels *increased* confronted to the starting levels. we came at the conclusion that my body tries to keep the balance of testo as close as possible to the basis level increasing aromatase and reductase, so if I take more testo I have to use both A5R inhibitors and antiaromatase from day 1.
She thinks that it's not the case to use so much drugs at the same time for 6 or 8 weeks.
So we decided to use something that will not turn into estrogen.

Told this... do something change in your opinion?

 

[Misc]

why not just take test and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin.... i had high e2 before my cycle so i started with aromasin from day 1 at 12.5mg ed and ran all the thru pct. my blood work came back even better than my baseline precycle.

 

[dagoberto]

why not just take test and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin.... i had high e2 before my cycle so i started with aromasin from day 1 at 12.5mg ed and ran all the thru pct. my blood work came back even better than my baseline precycle.

ok but this will not prevent my DHT to increase or the body to stop producing by itself.

It's clear that in my case testo levels will not stay that high for long before my body starts some awful reaction, just like heavy aromatase, great reductase or decreasing natural production.

When we talk about hormonal levels Everyone reacts differently, you know.

 

[Misc]

those are normal sides... i dont understand... you expect to run these drugs without any sides? hate to break it to you but you will probably have sides on tren and Winstrol (winny). its just going to be different sides. your gonna take tren then go omg i have a rise in prolactin i react badly to tren so i wont take it at all.

either know the risk and do it and do the best you can to minimize it or dont do them at all.

 

[dagoberto]

I agree about sides, but the goal is taking as much good thing as possibile from the compound. It seems that I have to take an higher dose of testo to get the same result that will get some "average" guy. I just looked for an option.