First Cycle

[alcoholicseamenthrower]

Hey guys. I'm going to be running my first Test-e/D-bol cycle in a few weeks.

Age:21
Height: 5'10
Weight: 187lbs

I have been lifting on and off for the past 5 years, constantly for the last year. My Nutrition is down pat.

dbol 40g : weeks 1-5/6

test-e 500mg : Mon/thurs (250mg) week 1-12

pct - Nolva - 40/40/20/20 , week 14-18



During the cycle is any Anti-e sufficient from the local stores or is there a recommended one?

Also I read that taking Test-p for the last 2 weeks of the cycle instead of test-e allows the PCT to be run right after the cycle? Is there any benefits to this?

Any other thoughts or advice is welcome.

 

[TonySuicideKing]

lmao nice name.

 

[alcoholicseamenthrower]

Any criticism?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

cycle looks fine, have at it. No OTC AI's though, ive heard AIFM works but thats it.

maybe think about some clomid in the PCT, and consider some HCG.

PCT starts week 15

 

[alcoholicseamenthrower]

I hadn't considered HCG but after reading up on it I am yet to read any bad reviews.

Is there precautions taking HCG 2xweek whilst on this cycle? I have heard it is a painful shot but that is about it.

 

[cdb1981]

Actually Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a pretty painless injection

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

All shots are painful to virgin muscle. Probably where you heard this from. Probably gonna be the case for you too since it is first cycle. Once you get a couple shots in each site you won't even feel it anymore.

 

[cdb1981]

You can run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Subq so it does not affect virgin muscles and it basically feels like a little pinch.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

You can run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Subq so it does not affect virgin muscles and it basically feels like a little pinch.

I stand corrected. Thank you for clearing that up and being nice enough not to say "Hey asshole you stupid or something?"

 

[alcoholicseamenthrower]

You can run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Subq so it does not affect virgin muscles and it basically feels like a little pinch.

Subq means injecting just under the skin and not in to the muscle right?

 

[Larrybird]

^^^ you're correct. Just do it in the gut.

Very similar to an insulin shot.

 

[Epic Ed]

Subq means injecting just under the skin and not in to the muscle right?

You want to hit the fat layer between the dermis and muscle. Easiest to do in the abdominal area. It's a painless injection (just did one seconds ago).

Don't bother with mixing different forms of test -- just keep it simple and run the test E and a good PCT. Have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand to combat symptoms of high E2 but IMO there's no need to run it right out of the gate unless you already have high E2 or know you're prone to gyno.

 

[hellawaits77]

I think it looks good. I personally wouldn't juice at 21, your test levels are still sky-high, but that's your call.

Best of luck to ya

 

[alcoholicseamenthrower]

Another quick question, how much arimidex during cycle should be used? 0.25mg ED or EoD? Or just when I feel the symptoms kicking in?

I am pretty prone to Gyno btw. I have also decided to run 250mg hcg e3d whilst on cycle.

 

[cdb1981]

Personally I've never had problems with gyno, so I just keep an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand. With you being prone to gyno you probably need to go ahead and run it. I hear of people using it at .25 EOD. You could start out with that and increase the dosage if you feel it's needed. Might need to have Letro on hand just in case gyno hits you hard. Just curious, how do you know you are gyno prone? If it's not something you are positive of, you may want to hold off. That's just my opinion.

 

[alcoholicseamenthrower]

I had it during my teens pretty bad. When my bodyfat % rises i usually get the full puffy nips and hard spots underneath, but its usually caused by fat fluctuation.

I think i may have it on hand and just use it when I notice signs and symptoms.

 

[alcoholicseamenthrower]

UPDATE:

Hey guys,

So I'm halfway through my cycle and gone from 178.2 lbs (started a little lighter then i had wished due to work) and I'm up at around 200lbs.

My lifts have gone from -

Squat - 264lbs - 330lbs
Bench - 220lbs - 253lbs
Military - 132lbs - 176lbs
Deadlifts - 264lbs - 440lbs

I finish D-bol today and was just wondering weather or not i should begin my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) now or wait until post cycle. I don't really want to lose my strength but I am holding quite a lot of water. My appetite lately hasn't been up to par either so I am worried i will drop down too much weight and lose most of my lifts if i do so.

 

[big bk]

I'm sure you'll lose some from your lifts. My lifts are up big from when I started also I'm 3 weeks into my dbol got another 1-3 weeks to go I'm I've already resigned to the fact that some of that strength will go away when I stop but I don't think there's much you can do about it. The water should from what I hear piss out over the next week or so.

Gotta fight through the lowered appetite. Maybe find an OTC solution to help with that I dunno. No experience myself with that sort of thing but I've read about people using a few different options to help them keep their eating up on cycle.

UPDATE:

Hey guys,

So I'm halfway through my cycle and gone from 178.2 lbs (started a little lighter then i had wished due to work) and I'm up at around 200lbs.

My lifts have gone from -

Squat - 264lbs - 330lbs
Bench - 220lbs - 253lbs
Military - 132lbs - 176lbs
Deadlifts - 264lbs - 440lbs

I finish D-bol today and was just wondering weather or not i should begin my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) now or wait until post cycle. I don't really want to lose my strength but I am holding quite a lot of water. My appetite lately hasn't been up to par either so I am worried i will drop down too much weight and lose most of my lifts if i do so.

 

[alcoholicseamenthrower]

Shit I just realised I mix/mashed questions in my head while typing that previous post and it came out as something totally different.

Anywho,


I've finished the D-bol finally but for the last few weeks i've gained mild gyno. I will begin my adex this week to try and combat it but what dosages would you guys recommend?