First perfect Cycle - Test E only 20 Weeks 500/week - Exact Plan

[GermBeast]

Hello,
I need your help with my cycle plan:

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week:
1-20 Test E 500 (250 Monday, 250mg Thursday)
1-20 HCG 500iu after Test Injections
1-23 12.5mg Exemestan everyday

10 Days before PCT: 1000iu HCG

Pct
23-26 Clomafene 50mg, 2 weeks 40mg Tamoxifen, last 2 weeks 20mg Tamoxifen.



Im not sure if the length 20 weeks is okay, and if the 10days at 1000iu HCG are good ?


Stats:
24.5 years old
3 years solid training
5 foot 11 inches
85kg at under 10% body fat (shredded for summer at the moment )

 

[tbonexl]

20 weeks is a bit much for a first cycle. The recommended length is 12 weeks. Run hcg up to pct @ 250 iu's twice a week.

 

[Catbug159]

Doing any pre-blood work? Seems like I'm almost in the same boat as you for starting a cycle, I'm trying to gain as much knowledge as I can as well. Reading all the other cycles that people have done, 10-12weeks seems really common, why such a long cycle?

 

[GermBeast]

Of course I do Blood-Work, I still look for anonymous options in UK / Germany.

In Germany most people say the following:

- No gains will be left after 12 weeks.

- Real muscle gains will come after week 8, before most of the weight is water !

- The hormone system is shut down in the same way at 12 wk and 20 wk cycle so why not extending it ? -> More Muscle Gains will be made

Moreover most german people in forums say, that "state before cycle = state after cycle" which means, that all muscle gains will be lost after cycle, is that true ? Even after perfect PCT ?

Gains will be better at 20 Weeks, However I have the fear that it will shut down my balls forever = TRT for rest of my life ?!

And what do you say about the dosage; 500mg/week is ok ? Please consider that I will use all product by the pharmacy !! Will this be too harsh for first cycle ?

Thanks

 

[rikardo82]

it's not about shutdown but also that cycle is hard fro body and it need rest after 12-14 weeks, hard for blood pressure cholesterol etc red blood count

 

[Onk]

Of course I do Blood-Work, I still look for anonymous options in UK / Germany.

In Germany most people say the following:



Moreover most german people in forums say, that "state before cycle = state after cycle" which means, that all muscle gains will be lost after cycle, is that true ? Even after perfect PCT ?

Gains will be better at 20 Weeks, However I have the fear that it will shut down my balls forever = TRT for rest of my life ?!

And what do you say about the dosage; 500mg/week is ok ? Please consider that I will use all product by the pharmacy !! Will this be too harsh for first cycle ?

Thanks

Of course you can cycle for 20 weeks, it just increases your chances of being on TRT dramatically. You don't realistically know if you want to pin test for the rest of your life, before you've even cycled.
Hence 12-14 weeks is common..

No matter WHAT YOU DO, if you're pushing your body past its physiological limit, you'll slowly go back towards your limit. Most people aren't at their physiological limit before they cycle. That takes perfect diet, perfect training and ideal lifestyle. That just isn't the case for the majority of people. So for most people, they can keep some of their gains if they eat correctly post-cycle.

Pharmacy: similar products, will be fine at 500mg per week.

Sure if you cycle longer you should make more gains...but that's the trade off for recovery. Recovery being more important in most people's minds.

As for your quoted text:
1/ silly comment, if they're gone after 12, why would extending to 20 protect what 12 didn't? in fact it shuts you down further, lowering your test and leaving more chance of having less than if you'd done at 12...
2/ If your gains are water your AI/estrogen management is shit
3/ Covered this in earlier comment and similar to point 1/

ALSO, no need to blast HCG post cycle, before PCT. Just kepe it at 500iU per week.

 

[GermBeast]

Im under my natural limit, so after 12 Weeks most of the gains should be kept ? Would I make the same gains without this cycle too ?

The 1000iu HCG at 10 days is mentioned in the sticky:
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/664646-cycling-beginners-guide-safe-androgen-use.html

I am still not sure why this is required and when exactly to use; 10 days directly after the last 250iu shot, or 10days counted right before PCT (2.5 weeks after last testo injection), as I did the the plan above ??

 

[GermBeast]

Bump

 

[bigben66]

WTF man... you're bumping this thread because you haven't had a response in 15 mins.... and you've set up another thread saying you're actually considering running a 24 week cycle...

You think we are all here to straighten up your stupid plans?

I sincerely respect and advise you to take down the thread that is NOT the plan you have - and listen to the advice that the vets are giving you on the plan you DO have.

 

[GermBeast]

Alright, I read the stickies - 12 weeks, mentioned here:
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/664646-cycling-beginners-guide-safe-androgen-use.html

 

[Onk]

Im under my natural limit, so after 12 Weeks most of the gains should be kept ? Would I make the same gains without this cycle too ?

The 1000iu HCG at 10 days is mentioned in the sticky:
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/664646-cycling-beginners-guide-safe-androgen-use.html

I am still not sure why this is required and when exactly to use; 10 days directly after the last 250iu shot, or 10days counted right before PCT (2.5 weeks after last testo injection), as I did the the plan above ??

As I said. If under your limit you can keep them if you eat correctly.
You could just reach the potential naturally if you eat and train correctly. There's no need for AAS to "push past"