First PH cycle (havoc)

[gvnch]

Hello, I'm 23 years old, I train about 4+ years and I wanna push my limits a little, cuz I think I'm kinda stagnating for time. I know about food/training/supplements, I write for some bodybuilding websites and so on.. So I'm not a newbie in "bodybuilding world". My goal is gain some LEAN mass, lose some fat.

I been reading articles and researching for a long time. I decited to go with Havoc for my 1st cycle

I have read a lot about dosing, but Im not sure yet. There are recommendations for 4w cycle for example (20/30/40/40) but also atleast 5-6w cycle recommendation. And Its like 50/50 about dosing…. But I think, if its my 1st cycle, 4w dosing with 1 bottle of Havoc should be just fine. On the other hand, I wanna some decent results and 6w recommendation is from lot of experienced people

My Cycle Support would be:
Taurine 5-10g/day
Joint Supp (glucosamine,msm)
Scitec Liver AID
Milk Thistle
Other Supplements: protein whey, bcaa, leucine, glutamine, creatine (when back pumps would be just fine), omega3, coconut oil, zinc, magnesium, C vit, calcium.

PCT:
?? dont know ??…. But i WANT to use SERM (I was thinking about combination with Erase (prot), Anabeta, Reversitol or something!) Maybe Nolvadex.I am always worried when coming off a cycle,for side effects like gyno and losing the gains made on cycle. So I think PCT ist totally important not to underrate.

THANKS GUYS!

 

[gvnch]

So I decited to go 6weeks long cycle (20/30/40/40/40/40) because lot of recommendations. Maybe Ill change dosing a bit. It depends how my body will react.But still dont know about PCT:Tamoxifen 4 weeks (20/20/10/10)DAAand what? Is anything else unconditionally necessary? (Erase Pro, Anabeta, Reversitol... I dunno)Thanks

 

[R1dow]

What is your height and weight

 

[J_Fox23]

For what you want Havoc is a good choice is you are wanting to do a PH. I would highly recommend getting a SERM it'll help you with keeping your gains. Epi is known for rebound gyno and a SERM will help you with that.

 

[gvnch]

Hey guys, Im on Havoc for 2 weeks now, just starting feel some strength progress in last 3 training sessions. My weight is about the same, 1kg up max. Feel no sides so far. I started with 20mg per day for 4 days, next 12 days Im on 30mg per day. Should I increase dosing to 40mg? Or wait till 3rd week or so?
Thanks.

 

[J_Fox23]

You'll really start seeing the gains in week 3 and 4. As far as upping the dose that's totally up to you.