First Post / First Cycle

[USAF]

This is my first post, but I have roamed around this site for a while doing research, just got this account and this is the cycle I have came up with. Tell me what you think!!!

[Stats]
I am 22, 200lbs and been lifting off and on since 9th grade. Always lifted heavy.

Not sure I want to do HGC, as I don't know exactly how to mix everything up to inject it. Give me your opinions!

1-12 Testosterone E. (Uncle Z or Naps) 400-500mg/wk

1-6 Dianabol 30mg/Ed (Gp - Naps net)

1-17 Nolvadex 15mg/Ed (GP -Naps) Can someone suggest a dosage for this? I have no idea. (This is to prevent Bitch Titts. I don't know if I am prone to it, and don't want to find out.) This will also be
carried over to week 17, being stacked with clomid.

PCT

15-17 Clomid
(Week 1 Clomid - Day 1 = 300mg, Day 2 = 100, Day 3 = 100, Day 4 = 100, Day 5 = 100, Day 6 = 100, Day 7 = 100)

(Week 2 Clomid - Day 8 = 100, Day 9 = 100, Day 10 = 100, Day 11 = 100, Day 12 = 50, Day 13 = 50, Day 14 = 50)

(Week 3 Clomid - Day 15 = 50, Day 16 = 50, Day 17 = 50, Day 18 = 50, Day 17 = 50, Day 18 = 50, Day 19 = 50, Day 20 = 50, Day 21 = 50.

What if my nuts start to shrink, what do I do then? Would I need Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), or would Nolvadex take care of that?

Thanks in advance
!

 

[MotorIHead]

This is my first post, but I have roamed around this site for a while doing research, just got this account and this is the cycle I have came up with. Tell me what you think!!!

[Stats]
I am 22, 200lbs and been lifting off and on since 9th grade. Always lifted heavy.

Not sure I want to do HGC, as I don't know exactly how to mix everything up to inject it. Give me your opinions!

1-12 Testosterone E. (Uncle Z or Naps) 400-500mg/wk

1-6 Dianabol 30mg/Ed (Gp - Naps net)

1-17 Nolvadex 15mg/Ed (GP -Naps) Can someone suggest a dosage for this? I have no idea. (This is to prevent Bitch Titts. I don't know if I am prone to it, and don't want to find out.) This will also be
carried over to week 17, being stacked with clomid.

PCT

15-17 Clomid
(Week 1 Clomid - Day 1 = 300mg, Day 2 = 100, Day 3 = 100, Day 4 = 100, Day 5 = 100, Day 6 = 100, Day 7 = 100)

(Week 2 Clomid - Day 8 = 100, Day 9 = 100, Day 10 = 100, Day 11 = 100, Day 12 = 50, Day 13 = 50, Day 14 = 50)

(Week 3 Clomid - Day 15 = 50, Day 16 = 50, Day 17 = 50, Day 18 = 50, Day 17 = 50, Day 18 = 50, Day 19 = 50, Day 20 = 50, Day 21 = 50.

What if my nuts start to shrink, what do I do then? Would I need Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), or would Nolvadex take care of that?

Thanks in advance
!

U did some research but ur planning on cycling at 22 and running 2 compounds on ur 1st cycle ? Guess u didn't do the research on this forum.......

 

[USAF]

U did some research but ur planning on cycling at 22 and running 2 compounds on ur 1st cycle ? Guess u didn't do the research on this forum.......

You're right, I have read that running test only is a good idea for a new gear user. I have done most of my research on this site, as it is the only site I really trust, but thank you for your concern.

Basically, all that I want/need to know is my post cycle therapy (pct) correct, and would taking nolva throughtout the entire cycle be a good decision. I got that idea from the site that didn't have the ology on the end, that is why I am running it though you guys to see if it is correct.

Also, is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) necessary?

If my nads shrink, or begin to, what actions should I take, or would the nolva help take care of that also?

 

[MotorIHead]

You're right, I have read that running test only is a good idea for a new gear user. I have done most of my research on this site, as it is the only site I really trust, but thank you for your concern.

Basically, all that I want/need to know is my post cycle therapy (pct) correct, and would taking nolva throughtout the entire cycle be a good decision. I got that idea from the site that didn't have the ology on the end, that is why I am running it though you guys to see if it is correct.

Also, is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) necessary?

If my nads shrink, or begin to, what actions should I take, or would the nolva help take care of that also?

What's ur full stats ?

post cycle therapy (pct) should start 2 weeks after last pin with Test E. 2 ways u can run Clomid.

Day 1 300MG
Days 2-11 100MG
Days 12-21 50MG

Or Days 1-21 50MG ED.

Ur not going to know if u need the Nolva thru the cycle until u have cycled.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I would not use Nolva throughout the cycle.

If you choose to use something to keep estrogen sides in check use Aromasin (Exemestane) @ 12.5mg ED.

i dont think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is necessary for your cycle, but it wouldnt hurt.

 

[fdrx7man]

HCG is like a jump start for your nads. I would bet with nolva or clomid you could bring them back very easily with it being your first cycle, and with only 400-500mg of test E..

I dont know about adding the dbol in but it is what it is.. you should make excellent gains with your planned cycle. Eat right, train hard, and pay attention to your body man! enjoy!

 

[USAF]

I would not use Nolva throughout the cycle.

If you choose to use something to keep estrogen sides in check use Aromasin (Exemestane) @ 12.5mg ED.

i dont think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is necessary for your cycle, but it wouldnt hurt.

Would I use the Aromasin during the cycle, just as I have listed for the Nolva?

 

[MotorIHead]

Would I use the Aromasin during the cycle, just as I have listed for the Nolva?

Yeah ED thru the cycle like Det said. Best taken after a meal IMO.

 

[USAF]

What's ur full stats ?

PCT should start 2 weeks after last pin with Test E. 2 ways u can run Clomid.

Day 1 300MG
Days 2-11 100MG
Days 12-21 50MG

Or Days 1-21 50MG ED.

Ur not going to know if u need the Nolva thru the cycle until u have cycled.

12% bf
bench 350
squat 415
deadl 425

If I choose to stack the nolva later in the cycle after I find out I need it, I will already have gyno, right?

Do people use nolva during the cycle, if so, how is it bad?

 

[USAF]

I would not use Nolva throughout the cycle.

If you choose to use something to keep estrogen sides in check use Aromasin (Exemestane) @ 12.5mg ED.

i dont think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is necessary for your cycle, but it wouldnt hurt.

The only reason I am not really content using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), is that I read it comes in a power form, and you have to mix it with water. It also said you have to have the dosage of the HCG(powder) perfectly correct as well as the water, otherwise your dosage is off for the whole batch.

Plus, I would rather not stick myself too many times(at least not at this point in time), as I have never injected anything before.

Does the aromasin block gyno to the point I would not need nolva? I read something about aromasin humditty wrote saying, "It will prevent androgens from converting into estrogen", so I automatically assume it prevents gyno. Is this correct?

Would I still also use the clomid at the end of my cycle, even with the use of aromasin instead of nolva?

EDIT

I read this thread from another site that makes me think that aromasin isn't so good to use. This is all by the same guy, so my question now is, would nolva do just as good of a job and be sufficient?


"I would not use aromasin FOR ANYTHING.... What are you doing. Thats a suicide inhibitor... You will now pay with a clusterfuck of unexplainable and random circumstances that will haunt you till you give and lie down....
...So now the question of which is better/worse. A drug that interacts with aromatase enzyme in ways that simply inhibit existing enzymes from working properly, OR a drug that completely renders the aromatase enzymes functionally inoperable. So what "side effects" ( I love that word), or really other effects result as the use of the particular drug? And more directly, which is worse, having partially perverted enzymes floating around, or having completely perverted, but totally non-funtional for Aromatase inhibitor (AI) purpose, floating around. Now ALSO what else are these new bastard creations doing.?

My biggest concern was the replacement rate of the enzymes. DO YOU HAVE DOCUMENTATION ON THEIR PRODUCTION LEVELS? I WOULD LIKE....

Just seems too aggressive. I dont like the whole premise short of fighting cancer. But think about it. You are not worried about creating some type of enzyme overproduction scenario longer term? It just seems to me as an unnecessary risk. These drugs are FAR WORSE than any testosterone for TRT. They are serious business.

Where the classic type AI's letro and adex effectively reduce aromatization by 70%, I believe amasin is touted to reduce by 98%. I cant see where you could be healthy at all on that stuff. What is the dose you take?, and in relation to the manufacturers intended dose?
....But really, what is happening with either drug? Does the classic Aromatase inhibitor (AI) render enzymes partially fucked, whereas their aromatase activity is truely partially hindered. And now what is really the final product. Are the resulting E's produced now sick, or more likely to metabolize to carcinogens? Or does the classic Aromatase inhibitor (AI) totally render the enzyme disfunctional, only it can only keep up with with production rates to negate 70% of them? Clearly the manufacturer studies indicate that no further results can be achieved with higher dosing. SO also is there a tolerance as to how much classic Aromatase inhibitor (AI) the body will put up with? I will give you for sure, that a partially perverted enzyme now running around doing who knows what is not a great comfort. But also you have to consider that a "suicided" enzyme now running around, could also do who knows what. I was unaware of the IGF interaction/result"

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I read this thread from another site that makes me think that aromasin isn't so good to use. This is all by the same guy, so my question now is, would nolva do just as good of a job and be sufficient?


"I would not use aromasin FOR ANYTHING.... What are you doing. Thats a suicide inhibitor... You will now pay with a clusterfuck of unexplainable and random circumstances that will haunt you till you give and lie down....
...So now the question of which is better/worse. A drug that interacts with aromatase enzyme in ways that simply inhibit existing enzymes from working properly, OR a drug that completely renders the aromatase enzymes functionally inoperable. So what "side effects" ( I love that word), or really other effects result as the use of the particular drug? And more directly, which is worse, having partially perverted enzymes floating around, or having completely perverted, but totally non-funtional for Aromatase inhibitor (AI) purpose, floating around. Now ALSO what else are these new bastard creations doing.?

My biggest concern was the replacement rate of the enzymes. DO YOU HAVE DOCUMENTATION ON THEIR PRODUCTION LEVELS? I WOULD LIKE....

Just seems too aggressive. I dont like the whole premise short of fighting cancer. But think about it. You are not worried about creating some type of enzyme overproduction scenario longer term? It just seems to me as an unnecessary risk. These drugs are FAR WORSE than any testosterone for TRT. They are serious business.

Where the classic type AI's letro and adex effectively reduce aromatization by 70%, I believe amasin is touted to reduce by 98%. I cant see where you could be healthy at all on that stuff. What is the dose you take?, and in relation to the manufacturers intended dose?
....But really, what is happening with either drug? Does the classic Aromatase inhibitor (AI) render enzymes partially fucked, whereas their aromatase activity is truely partially hindered. And now what is really the final product. Are the resulting E's produced now sick, or more likely to metabolize to carcinogens? Or does the classic Aromatase inhibitor (AI) totally render the enzyme disfunctional, only it can only keep up with with production rates to negate 70% of them? Clearly the manufacturer studies indicate that no further results can be achieved with higher dosing. SO also is there a tolerance as to how much classic Aromatase inhibitor (AI) the body will put up with? I will give you for sure, that a partially perverted enzyme now running around doing who knows what is not a great comfort. But also you have to consider that a "suicided" enzyme now running around, could also do who knows what. I was unaware of the IGF interaction/result"

hahahaha-where did you get this? sounds like a post from BBC to me...............

i wish i had time to teach you all about suicidal inhibition tonight but i just dont.


BTW their are a hundred of these scary post's for every compound there is.

 

[USAF]

hahahaha-where did you get this? sounds like a post from BBC to me...............

i wish i had time to teach you all about suicidal inhibition tonight but i just dont.


BTW their are a hundred of these scary post's for every compound there is.

Lol.

So I should definitely stick with the aromasin. Should I use nolvadex at all now that I am going to add the aromasin? And, continue to run my clomid therapy cycle.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Im not telling you what you should use, all im saying is IMO i think you should use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (aromasin, Adex, Letro) instead of a SERM (nolva, clomid).

The Aromatase inhibitor (AI) of choice for me is Aromasin.

see AI's slow the conversion of Testosterone to Estrogen, therefore lowering total estrogen levels in the body.

SERM simply compete for the estrogen receptor, and win, therefore stopping estrogen form attaching to the receptor. They do not affect the level of estrogen in your blood.

The above rant has many facts in it that are completely wrong. The reason i ask if it was from BBC3 is because he has brought up the point about suicidal AI's being bad for you in the long run. for instance guys never getting gyno then they use aromasin in one cycle, and are gyno prone all the sudden. One thing you have to remember is posts like that are meant to provoke thought, there is no validity to it happening for sure.

Its always a good idea to use the least amount of compounds possible on a cycle. BUT, if i was going to use something to prevent estrogen sides it would def be an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and not a SERM.

 

[Teutonic]

oak summed it up..I can t touch this...

I concur with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) over serm ..and for me it s aromasine..12.5 eod-25 ed in 25 percent graduations as differant doses and diff compound s come on line..if 25 ed can t kill it..I lower or shelve that compound...less is more dude..
less compounds= more long term overall health.. as your closer to "normal' w all natty levels = longer life...lookin good.

 

[USAF]

Im not telling you what you should use, all im saying is IMO i think you should use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (aromasin, Adex, Letro) instead of a SERM (nolva, clomid).

The Aromatase inhibitor (AI) of choice for me is Aromasin.

see AI's slow the conversion of Testosterone to Estrogen, therefore lowering total estrogen levels in the body.

SERM simply compete for the estrogen receptor, and win, therefore stopping estrogen form attaching to the receptor. They do not affect the level of estrogen in your blood.

The above rant has many facts in it that are completely wrong. The reason i ask if it was from BBC3 is because he has brought up the point about suicidal AI's being bad for you in the long run. for instance guys never getting gyno then they use aromasin in one cycle, and are gyno prone all the sudden. One thing you have to remember is posts like that are meant to provoke thought, there is no validity to it happening for sure.

Its always a good idea to use the least amount of compounds possible on a cycle. BUT, if i was going to use something to prevent estrogen sides it would def be an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and not a SERM.

So what people saying about taking it once, and getting gyno prone is complete bs. If you use aromasin and haven't had sides of the sort, then I trust what you say and will follow your advise.

Should I incorperate the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout the entire cycle, 1-12? And as for post cycle therapy (pct), would I just continue the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to wk 16 or 17? I know I am asking a lot of questions, but if you can, please bare with me.

Thanks for all your help thus far.

 

[USAF]

oak summed it up..I can t touch this...

..and for me it s aromasine..12.5 eod-25 ed in 25 percent graduations as differant doses I don't completly understand that........and diff compound s come on line..if 25 ed can t kill it..I lower or shelve that compound....

So would 12.5mg/Ed be sufficient?

If 25/ed cant kill it, lower or shelve the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), or the gear?

And, If by some slim chance I did begin to get gyno even while using the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), my first reaction would be to up the dose. Would that be alright, and would it make sence? Also, if that didn't work would it be alright to add nolva to help kill that side?


I know I sound like a new guy that doesn't know jack, and I GUESS that is half true. I have researched the shit out of post cycle therapy (pct), and ways to prevent gyno, and shrinking nads and just haven't found all the information I need to make me feel knowledgable/confident enough to cycle just yet. I just would like to know how to prevent/counter gyno and shinking nads. Sorry for all the questions, truely, but I do appreciate all your guys help.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

So what people saying about taking it once, and getting gyno prone is complete bs..

i have no idea if there is truth to this or not, its actually a good point that is worth discussing. It will not keep me from using it though cause it is merely speculation. when i said facts were not true i was referring to the facts presented, like saying that aromasin lowers estro up to 98%. Now that is complete BS.

it seems like you have done SOME research, but it is clear you do not have a basic understanding of the mechanics of each compound that you are planning on using, i suggest you take this time to learn that kind of stuff.

going soley on what people tell you to do on these boards is dangerous, you should have at least a basic understanding yourself.

 

[USAF]

i have no idea if there is truth to this or not, its actually a good point that is worth discussing. It will not keep me from using it though cause it is merely speculation. when i said facts were not true i was referring to the facts presented, like saying that aromasin lowers estro up to 98%. Now that is complete BS.

it seems like you have done SOME research, but it is clear you do not have a basic understanding of the mechanics of each compound that you are planning on using, i suggest you take this time to learn that kind of stuff.

going soley on what people tell you to do on these boards is dangerous, you should have at least a basic understanding yourself.

-----^ I agree.

Would I use the aromasin every day from day 1 in my cycle? I hear all different sorts of things, and sure don't want to over do it.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

yes start first day.

 

[USAF]

After this is clarified, this should be my last post on this subject; for now.

yes start first day.

1-12 Testosterone E. (Uncle Z or Naps) 400-500mg/wk

1-6 Dianabol 30mg/Ed (Gp - Naps net)

1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg/Ed

Should I continue the aromasin past the cycle, say to maybe, 15 weeks? And also drop the clomid/nolva, or continue it?

Let me add that I amm going to include proscar, as I do not want to lose my hair.