First Test cycle - Does it look alright?

[Jayll]

First of all some stats:
21 y/o
200 lbs
180 cm tall
16% BF

Been lifting for 4 years now.

So im gonna run my first Test cycle in the near future, depends on the delivery time on my gear.
I'm gonna run a rather light cycle, consiting of Test E for 12 weeks and Ana Anavar (var) for the last 6 weeks for the great hardening look.

I've run Anavar (var) only a few times with decent gains for such a mild compound, didn't run no post cycle therapy (pct), and my test levels was looking fine afterwards.

This is how i am gonna run my gear:
250 mg Test Etwice a week (mon/friday)
50 mg Anavar (var) ED for the last 6 weeks.

For post cycle therapy (pct) ill run either

Nolvadex 40mg for 14 days and then 20mg for 21 more days.
Or the standard combo:
clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 20/20/10/10/10/10

Depends of the cost tho.

As for HCG, i am a bit uncertain whether to run it or not. Anyone been running a similar cycle, who can gimme some input?

- Hope for some pointers or green light. I am a bit nervous about it so i really want to know if im doing it right.
Thanks in advance
Jay

 

[Nsw1654]

Looks g2g man.. Make sure your diet is on point.. as for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) i'm not entirely sure, it will help keep some of the nasty effects at bay such as nad shrinkage but I haven't looked into it much

 

[bigherm2121]

Bro your too young!! Though i will say um pretty surprised about how good you wrote a first cycle. Its actually not bad. But your still young and by doing aas your going to hurt hpta and cause damaging efdects on it because the body is not fully matures yet. Will give you hpta and test issues down the road.

 

[Nsw1654]

Bro your too young!! Though i will say um pretty surprised about how good you wrote a first cycle. Its actually not bad. But your still young and by doing aas your going to hurt hpta and cause damaging efdects on it because the body is not fully matures yet. Will give you hpta and test issues down the road.

I agree with you man, I'm way to young as well. But we're going to do what we feel is right for us and real suggestions on how to stay safe and prevent difficulties down the road is more respected then playing the, you're to young card. Because every young guy on here has heard it a million times just like I have. No, disrespect by the way, I just wanna see more senior members helping out the new even if they think we're to young

 

[Jayll]

Cool. - I'm still unsure bout that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) everywhere i read there are new opinions about it. Looks like i could recover from SERM only, but i like my nuts u know, so i might end up running 500 ui ED 10 days after my last shot stopping 4 days before i start my nolva. Just to be sure. Any1 having experiances doing that?

No matter what AAS is bad news, but as everyone else in the community im willing to take the risk.

 

[bigherm2121]

Well I help. It's just you young kids do not care about your future. You only care about now. Bro its not worth the hassle later in life. You'll be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 30 and you will have to pin once a week for the reat of your life. People don't think about their future. By all means do what you want. There is nothing you can take that will reverse the damage you are about to do to your bodys. I wish I could say I don't give a fuck. But I do care and I hate seeing you guys do damage to yourself to look like you belong on jersey shore. I wanted to do it at your agr but i waited. I'm not lazy! The way you just said that made you sound super weak and lazy. Real talk. Do whatever you want.

 

[bigherm2121]

Bit I will say do not give advice like that. Because your messing yourself up does not mean you should promote doing aas at a young age. This is one of the best boards on the net and you wont last long.

 

[Nsw1654]

Well I help. It's just you young kids do not care about your future. You only care about now. Bro its not worth the hassle later in life. You'll be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 30 and you will have to pin once a week for the reat of your life. People don't think about their future. By all means do what you want. There is nothing you can take that will reverse the damage you are about to do to your bodys. I wish I could say I don't give a fuck. But I do care and I hate seeing you guys do damage to yourself to look like you belong on jersey shore. I wanted to do it at your agr but i waited. I'm not lazy! The way you just said that made you sound super weak and lazy. Real talk. Do whatever you want.

Like I said man. I meant no disrespect in the slightest. I appreciate what you're doing actually, It's nice to know even over the internet that someone cares about you and your future. All I was trying to say is that you cant change everyone's mind.. But I do appreciate you trying to make us think before we act on something that could quite possibly change our future for the worst. All I'm saying is that if someone is dead set on using gear, young or not, We should all do our best to make it as easy and as safe as possible for them

 

[Jayll]

Let me hear what experiances you have running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (and not running it) - How you dosed it etc. You called me a lazy, weak kid, some information in return por favor

 

[BigFella]

You posted this last month:

clen + Anavar (var) and T3 - How to dose it?
Im 6ft 201 lbs want to cut 15 lbs.
Im on a low carb, high protein diet, i eat loads of meat, eggs and vegs.. well thats more or less the only things i eat.

Im gonna run 50 mg of Anavar (var) ED on. And do clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.
I just don't know how to run my t3? - Should i run it at a flat rate with ramp up/down or should i pause 2 weeks in, like i do with my clen?

If you changed your mind that much in three weeks how do you know you won't change it again in another year or two? By which time you're screwed your body up. At age 21 you're on cycle naturally. Get as much as you can out of that.

Oh, and your diet sucks. Fix that first - hit up 3J on the diet forum. Do that right for a year and you'll get more results than cycling with a diet like yours.

How much better would you feel if you got as much out of your body as you could - before you start gear? Can you imagine the difference. "Man, you look good!" "Yeah, and it's all me, not steroids!"

At 21 you are too young. You will have a long, long time to regret this.

 

[Jayll]

Its summer, im leaving for vacation in a month, hell yeah im cutting fat. Whats the point?
Bout that diet: thank you i may actually learn something. But ill tell you what my diet is far better than the average joe. Atleast i think about what i eat, and im not filling my face with pizza, beer and french fries.

Why the f am i defending myself here..
Fuck that im an idiot, i should water my plants and paint pretty pictures and never touch gear.

 

[BigFella]

The point is that last month you said you were going to "run 50 mg of Anavar (var) ED and do clen two weeks on and two weeks off". Today you say "I'm gonna run 250mg Test E twice a week".

Yes, your diet is probably better than the average joe. Is that what you want in life? To be better than the average joe?

Ok, if we must:

If you run 250 mg E twice a week then at your age at least half of that will be wasted and will screw you up? Why? Because you are currently programmed to have your T at a certain level. When it spikes some will get converted to E and your testes will produce less. So that first 250mg will do nothing other than screw your body up. So then you'll get a benefit from the next 250 mg. maybe. You would definitely get more benefit from diet.

What. Ever.

My advice to you: you may not believe this, but you are very, very young and inexperienced. There are a lot of people here who have good advice, but they won't spend time on you. You will get 100% agreement on the age thing from everyone but the kids like yourself.

But if you insist on this, and I'm hopeful you aren't a lost cause yet by the way your "I'm gonna" changed in a month, get COMPLETE blood work done prior to touching anything. You'll want it to refer to in the future. If only to regret being so pigheaded.

 

[beatz]

Jay

criticism will come especially when you put such little information up. there is no note of your workouts, how much rest you will be having, diet or anything to do with your goals so expressing an opinion on a persons first cycle is kinda stupid if u are just putting up a cycle in my opinion because there are plenty of first cycle examples all over the internet. I figure ppl come to a forum in a sense to seek approval and assure there doing AAS the safest way possible. It also is a good indication of how well educated a person is before starting there cycle and at the moment you have made the statement you don't know much about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) which imo is very important especially when considering fertility (do your research there are many good threads and stickys on it in the forum), you refer to post cycle therapy (pct) as a cost issue where as post cycle therapy (pct) is just as important as the steroid cycle itself ensuring you get your body back up and running in its normal state and allows an attempt to maintain gains made while cycling, the statement "depends on the cost tho." is also a huge contradiction considering a drug like anavar is usually quite expensive in comparison to post cycle therapy (pct).

Looking at your stats was more concerning then your age to be honest lifting doesn't mean all that much if u havn't had a good diet for that same period of time.
also why bother with anavar at 16% you will look shit anyway and at 200lbs and almost 6 foot i assume you are trying to gain weight because in your shape it wouldn't make much sense to use steroids while cutting so your bf% is bound to increase.

And Bigfella I'm not trying to argue and may be taking your point out of context although the statement that "you are currently programmed to have your T at a certain level" is 100% correct although so does everyone and natural test at 21 is far lower then 250mg of test E, even after the ester you would still get around 170mg of test, where as total test in males, only around 2% of it is actually free test and at 21 is going to be far lower then that u cld expect to see an equivilent of 70mg test produced a week so 500mg/wk is a big increase in his natural test levels.

My opinion is stay natty for a while longer, I don't know where you are at with diet but by your stats you could be in far better shape so im sure you are not dieting properly, and when i talk about diet i am not only referring to results but also health, when u r juicing your blood pressure will increase, ldl's will become greater and hdl's will drop and so many more side effects which can all be controlled by diet.

If your still so adamant drop the anavar out and run the test cycle keep things simple.

I am turning 24 in 3 weeks and i just started my 1st cycle. I also feel i am too young and ppl shouldn't start till 30+ or 25+ at the least but my progression from the age of 21-23 was over 12kg as an ectomorph and i was dropping down to sub 10% bf 4 months of the year and never really went over 13%bf, so i mean you still have a lot of work to do before your ready to cycle.

Hope my opinion is of assistance and ppl in the forums when they say too young they are speaking from experience either from themselves or from others they have seen make the same mistakes so definitely take that into consideration.

Good luck

 

[sealevel]

Man I gotta jump in on the too young thing as well. Your natural production is the highest it will ever be from 16 to 23. Try eating like crazy, lots of rest and heavy lifting and guaranteed you'll grow!

 

[ryand]

Because of this forum I've realized that AAS isn't for me. Not yet anyway. I fucked up taking a prohormone because I had tunnel vision JUST LIKE YOUUUU. Luckily, I was smart enough to quit before it did any real damage--I was such a dumbass and only listened to what I wanted to hear and what I wanted to read. Because of this forum I've realized I'm too young (I'm 24 now) and I've realized what I can do without AAS or PH.

Fucking listen to these guys man. They are giving you priceless advice. Put in some hard work. I've gained 25lbs in a year and I'm damn proud of my body and my strength. Don't get me wrong I might do AAS in the future, but def not within the next 5 years.

Having a hot piece of ass on top of me and my dick being a corpse is one of the worst experiences I've ever had. I sure didn't give a fuck about any muscle when my main muscle wasn't working lol.

You're too young man. You're body fat is too high also.

 

[ryand]

Because of this forum I've realized that AAS isn't for me. Not yet anyway. I fucked up taking a prohormone because I had tunnel vision JUST LIKE YOUUUU. Luckily, I was smart enough to quit before it did any real damage--I was such a dumbass and only listened to what I wanted to hear and what I wanted to read. Because of this forum I've realized I'm too young (I'm 24 now) and I've realized what I can do without AAS or PH.

Fucking listen to these guys man. They are giving you priceless advice. Put in some hard work. I've gained 25lbs in a year and I'm damn proud of my body and my strength. Don't get me wrong I might do AAS in the future, but def not within the next 5 years.

Having a hot piece of ass on top of me and my dick being a corpse is one of the worst experiences I've ever had. I sure didn't give a fuck about any muscle when my main muscle wasn't working lol.

You're too young man. You're body fat is too high also.