Frontloading

[Ace]

What are your thoughts on frontloading,especially a long ester steroid?

If it takes the enan 2-3 weeks to start getting active in your system, then why would you want to simply put more into your system right off the bat? Wouldn't it just seem to hit you harder later on instead of having any effect at all at the beginning of the cycle?

 

[PartyBoy]

Frontloading is used to acheive peak blood concentration levels much sooner.

 

[Frankie xq]

isn't it something like 1400mg to reach optimal levels? so it makes sense that you'd start to see results at from 3-5.

 

[Ace]

Frontloading is used to acheive peak blood concentration levels much sooner.

I know this, but how could it? For example, let's say you front load test enan which has a half life of roughly 10-12 days, wouldn't it not matter how much test you pump into your system? Regardless, it is going to take 10-12 days for any amount at all to start reacting with the body.

I suppose that a small amount (the amount that is absorbed before the half life) would be used, but not that much. Right?

 

[Ace]

isn't it something like 1400mg to reach optimal levels? so it makes sense that you'd start to see results at from 3-5.

How did you come to this conclusion?

 

[Ozzy27]

I'm not to sold on the front loading theory.

 

[Ace]

I'm not to sold on the front loading theory.

Neither am I, that's why I was asking. Maybe someone could sell me on it.

 

[panteracfh]

ACE... the 10-12 days is the half life...put it like this
No FL...for sake of ex. say 7 day half life...
week 1 500mg
week 2 250 left + another 500mg = 750mg total
week 3 125mg +250mg (both from before) +another 500= 875mg
and so on...
WITH FL....
week 1 1000mg
week 2 500mg left +another 500mg = 1500mg total
week 3 250mg +250mg +another 500mg= 1000mg total
week 4 125+125+250+another 500= 1000
so by week three your at a constant 1000mg already wheras in week 3 of no FL your still at 875mg working your way up...
Make sense??

 

[Ace]

ACE... the 10-12 days is the half life...put it like this
No FL...for sake of ex. say 7 day half life...
week 1 500mg
week 2 250 left + another 500mg = 750mg total
week 3 125mg +250mg (both from before) +another 500= 875mg
and so on...
WITH FL....
week 1 1000mg
week 2 500mg left +another 500mg = 1500mg total
week 3 250mg +250mg +another 500mg= 1000mg total
week 4 125+125+250+another 500= 1000
so by week three your at a constant 1000mg already wheras in week 3 of no FL your still at 875mg working your way up...
Make sense??

Yea, I can see that, but I guess I am still skeptical about it.

 

[Billy_Bathgate]

Actually the half life of enanthate is closer to 3 or 4 days.

Do not confuse Active Life (which is the amount of time before we start clomid because the amount of drug left is very small) with half life.

If enanthates half life were truly 10-12 days, we couldnt start clomid till approximately 6wks after the last shot.

 

[Ace]

Actually the half life of enanthate is closer to 3 or 4 days.

Do not confuse Active Life (which is the amount of time before we start clomid because the amount of drug left is very small) with half life.

If enanthates half life were truly 10-12 days, we couldnt start clomid till approximately 6wks after the last shot.

I know the difference between active life and half life, but the reason that I said the half life of enan was 10-12 days is because I saw that in a few different places.

I do see your point though about starting clomid 6 weeks after you last inject if enan's half life really was 10-12 days so it does seem valid.

 

[Billy_Bathgate]

Ya its misprinted all over the web. Im sure most of us understand what they really mean by "half-life of 10-12 days" but I was just pointing it out anywyas.

IT gets incorrectly interchanged alot from what Ive noticed. In fact I think Ive only seen one chart with the correct labeling. Im sure Ive misused the word as well at one point.

 

[Ace]

OK, thanks. After reading about this and experimenting with the roid calculator, I have another question though.

According to the roid calculator here, it says that if you run a simple bulker of 600mg deca and 750mg test cyp over a 10 week cycle, even after week 3 where it is usually recommended to start clomid because of deca's 7 day half life. However, at week 12 there is STILL 4335mg of juice left in you. Why would you start clomid so early if you still have that amount of gear left active in your body?

 

[StoneColdNTO]

OK, thanks. After reading about this and experimenting with the roid calculator, I have another question though.

According to the roid calculator here, it says that if you run a simple bulker of 600mg deca and 750mg test cyp over a 10 week cycle, even after week 3 where it is usually recommended to start clomid because of deca's 7 day half life. However, at week 12 there is STILL 4335mg of juice left in you. Why would you start clomid so early if you still have that amount of gear left active in your body?

That is why those calculators suck, they are old and inaccurate !!

 

[Ace]

That is why those calculators suck, they are old and inaccurate !!

From what I can see, if you sit down and calculate it out, I think it is pretty accurate.

Dammit, now I gotta make me a spreadsheet that calculates this stuff! This is not the time either because I have finals coming up. Damn you guys! ...in a good way though.

 

[Billy_Bathgate]

I dont like those calculators.

The obvious reason that pisses me off is this.

They supposedly tell Steroid Blood Concentration....wait did you read that, "Concentration!"

Since when in hell did a concentration get denoted by a unit of mass??? Um no...its mass/volume. You cant say the blood concentration is 4324mg of total AAS. Thats assanine!!! Thats an amount, not a concentration.

Its the concentration levels that are important. Something like 800ng/dl would be an appropriate responce.

Secondly, dont think that your body is going to follow your half-life decay equation just like you think it will. There are alot of other factors that can interfere with thtte relese rate of the depots.

It just bugs me to see something say, xxx blood level concentration but then its labeled in mg's when that isnt even a concentration to begin with.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

I dont like those calculators.

The obvious reason that pisses me off is this.

They supposedly tell Steroid Blood Concentration....wait did you read that, "Concentration!"

Since when in hell did a concentration get denoted by a unit of mass??? Um no...its mass/volume. You cant say the blood concentration is 4324mg of total AAS. Thats assanine!!! Thats an amount, not a concentration.

Its the concentration levels that are important. Something like 800ng/dl would be an appropriate responce.

Secondly, dont think that your body is going to follow your half-life decay equation just like you think it will. There are alot of other factors that can interfere with thtte relese rate of the depots.

It just bugs me to see something say, xxx blood level concentration but then its labeled in mg's when that isnt even a concentration to begin with.

Amen to that !!

Good to see ya here again.........

 

[MajinVegeta]

if I was to front load 1000mg of test, would you want to do that in 2 shots or just one big one? I am guessing it would be 2 since the rest of the cycle would be 2 time a week. Just looking for input

 

[PartyBoy]

2 shots is fine