fucked up first cycle

[Tbanga420]

So, I really jumped the gun and started a testosterone E cycle before doing enough research to find out that bodyfat% will greatly increase aromitization and I got some gyno. I'm about 8 weeks in, first two weeks only did 250mg/week, then 3-6 did 500mg/week, stopped altogether when gyno happened and didn't have Aromatase inhibitor (AI), this week did just 250mg and still feeling some gyno. I also ran Anavar and Winnie for probably two weeks at the height of it. I'm completely aware that I made mistakes. I'm just trying to handle this as best as possible.

Questions.
1. Is it a bad idea to hault the cycle here and now and start PCT?

2. I do not have clomid or nolvadex but could have some by the end of this week if needed, is it a bad idea to take a dose of test e equal to the regular amount of test that is produced naturally?

3. I'm still trying to make as much physical transformation as fast as possible (mostly cutting) and I'm pretty sure I have low testosterone naturally, can I use Anavar (var) or winnie to assist since they don't aromatise much? should I wait till after PCT?

stats
20 years old
215 lbs
5' 9

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Quit now before you're even further into the hole you created.
Get that PCT started ASAP and use the time to re assess your goals, map your diet out, and do some more reading on how to cycle properly.
No need to waste all that test.

 

[chapaholic]

get some letro

 

[Jack Torsbear4]

i wouldnt quit till u understand how to come off. uthink u have gyno now.
ditch the orals. pct should use nolva and clomid
get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and nolva immediately. take it eod or onset of gyno symptoms.
adex @ .5mgs or nolva @ 10mgs to prvent.

 

[Tbanga420]

I got arimidex and I've been taking 2-3 mg daily and am still getting some gyno. I believe it is because of the high body fat. I am getting clomid and nolva to begin post cycle therapy (pct).

Just for note sake. This cycle was a bit of an experiment for me. The whole reason I started the testosterone is because I was having trouble loosing fat at all a few months back. Any caloric deficit lead to muscle loss and it was very unpleasant. I believed it was because of low testosterone (there were several factors that would have likely caused such a condition from the months before) When I started there was no gyno at all for about a month (this was before injections, I was using a topical cream at 50mg test suspension, 5x week none on the weekends). Towards the end of that I had minor gyno symptoms on and off, when I started test e injections it didn't get bad until about another month into that. Now, I am having no problems loosing fat but aromatization seems pretty unpreventable. I think the anabolics have greatly repaired the damaged metabolism I had, and now it's just a bit overload.

 

[Doom350z]

The whole reason I started the testosterone is because I was having trouble loosing fat at all a few months back. Any caloric deficit lead to muscle loss and it was very unpleasant. I believed it was because of low testosterone (there were several factors that would have likely caused such a condition from the months before) When I started there was no gyno at all for about a month (this was before injections, I was using a topical cream at 50mg test suspension, 5x week none on the weekends). Towards the end of that I had minor gyno symptoms on and off, when I started test e injections it didn't get bad until about another month into that. Now, I am having no problems loosing fat but aromatization seems pretty unpreventable. I think the anabolics have greatly repaired the damaged metabolism I had, and now it's just a bit overload.

Don't take this the wrong way but I'm going to be brutally honest with you. 5'9 and 215+ is a terrible weight to start at unless you're low body fat not to mention you're too young to begin with. With that weight and your age and inexperience I'd say you're over 20% Bf?
Starting a mass gainer is the complete opposite of what you need to be doing if you're trying to drop weight/body fat. I've met SO MANY guys who make the same excuses you do. The "I'm a hard gainer, or I try everything and still can't lose weight" That's 99.9% bullshit, your diet is bad and your cardio is off. I hope you learned from this mistake my friend. Start your PCT and take 2 years off of any type of Gear and focus on diet/weights/cardio.

 

[tanuki]

Whoa 2-3 mg of adex is only gonna cause joint pain and kill sex drive. It won't stop the estrogen already there it prevents a certain amount of test from converting to e2. Nolvadex will block the receptors from accepting e2 though.

I lose crazy amounts of weight on a keto diet. No cardio cuz imo cardio is for suckers.

 

[Tbanga420]

Don't take this the wrong way but I'm going to be brutally honest with you. 5'9 and 215+ is a terrible weight to start at unless you're low body fat not to mention you're too young to begin with. With that weight and your age and inexperience I'd say you're over 20% Bf?
Starting a mass gainer is the complete opposite of what you need to be doing if you're trying to drop weight/body fat. I've met SO MANY guys who make the same excuses you do. The "I'm a hard gainer, or I try everything and still can't lose weight" That's 99.9% bullshit, your diet is bad and your cardio is off. I hope you learned from this mistake my friend. Start your PCT and take 2 years off of any type of Gear and focus on diet/weights/cardio.

Na, I'm about 20% I think 25-30%. No, it's not that my diet sucks or cardio , I was dieting real hard and using stimulants and riding a bike few hours a day. I stopped loosing fat because I was trying to hard.