OK, not as bad as i though. I was talking with Joe Carini, i don't know if any of you guys know him but he is older, like 47, he wants to put togethe a team eventually, and was talking to me about it today, he did sound as discourageing about equipment as the first time i met him, lol. He was one strong dude though, 900 squat, 670 bencn, and 810 dead. All with only that flimsy gear they wore back then.