Going to cyle soon but with a few health issues.
- Thread starter Jet1990
- Start date
StevenTae
New member
Well, if you aren't eating on point while on gear then you will still not gain. It isn't the magic juice. You still need to eat right and train hard. So, if you can't commit to eating properly then I would say that is MORE reason not to even contemplate gear.
How old as a minimum? Hard to say. I know on here the popular consensus seems to be 25. I was in my mid 30's. I think that the answer is that everyone is different. When your natural T-Levels have started declining and you hit your natural potential then you can start considering gear. Read the stickies dude. All of your answers are there including when you know you are ready for gear.
MonsterMedic
New member
25. You want to make sure growth plates are closed, natural test has peaked, etc.
Dude, before you give in to peer pressure or whatever, please read this first: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/156919-im-ready-gear-check-list.html
So you're eating a lot healthier and upping your calorie intake. By how much? When you say you're eating a lot healthier, do you mean that you're eating more greens, more lean meat, more soy milk, more tofu or what exactly? Eating too clean may not give you enough calories to get the mass you want. The balance of the major food groups may not be ideal. Listen to what the old ones are telling you and get 3J to hook up a diet plan for you. You can also check this out: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...-reaching-your-goals-right-way-diet-baby.html
You said that: "Im not stupid in the sense im juicing up without a decent foundation to build on. im going to try my hardest to reach my genetic potential and once i believe ive hit the wall; ill go on a cycle". I have a couple of questions for you: How exactly will you know whether you've hit the wall or not? How big do you wanna get anyway? Freaky bodybuilder huge or just MMA muscular fighter big?
Seeing as you have several family members who are experienced in these matters and that you guys have only been lifting for the past two years, have you asked their opinions on whether you and your brother have already reached your genetic potential? How big did your family members get training naturally before they started to juice?
What are the exercises that you, your brother and your friends do for each major muscle group? How many exercises do you do for each muscle group? What's the weight/set/rep range for each exercise and when do you decide when to increase the weight? Is the program you're on enough to make you grow? You might wanna check out the routines here first: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/training-forum/56428-my-top-5-lifting-routines.html or if you feel that you've truly hit the wall in your lifts, check out this routine: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/training-forum/661-5x5-routine.html
A lot of highschool powerlifters and young olympic weightlifters grew a lot just by training smart and eating.
In the end, you're gonna do what you're gonna do regardless of what anyone here says. I just hope that you do try your hardest to reach your genetic potential first and start juicing once you've hit the true "wall".
So you're eating a lot healthier and upping your calorie intake. By how much? When you say you're eating a lot healthier, do you mean that you're eating more greens, more lean meat, more soy milk, more tofu or what exactly? Eating too clean may not give you enough calories to get the mass you want. The balance of the major food groups may not be ideal. Listen to what the old ones are telling you and get 3J to hook up a diet plan for you. You can also check this out: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...-reaching-your-goals-right-way-diet-baby.html
You said that: "Im not stupid in the sense im juicing up without a decent foundation to build on. im going to try my hardest to reach my genetic potential and once i believe ive hit the wall; ill go on a cycle". I have a couple of questions for you: How exactly will you know whether you've hit the wall or not? How big do you wanna get anyway? Freaky bodybuilder huge or just MMA muscular fighter big?
Seeing as you have several family members who are experienced in these matters and that you guys have only been lifting for the past two years, have you asked their opinions on whether you and your brother have already reached your genetic potential? How big did your family members get training naturally before they started to juice?
What are the exercises that you, your brother and your friends do for each major muscle group? How many exercises do you do for each muscle group? What's the weight/set/rep range for each exercise and when do you decide when to increase the weight? Is the program you're on enough to make you grow? You might wanna check out the routines here first: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/training-forum/56428-my-top-5-lifting-routines.html or if you feel that you've truly hit the wall in your lifts, check out this routine: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/training-forum/661-5x5-routine.html
A lot of highschool powerlifters and young olympic weightlifters grew a lot just by training smart and eating.
In the end, you're gonna do what you're gonna do regardless of what anyone here says. I just hope that you do try your hardest to reach your genetic potential first and start juicing once you've hit the true "wall".
StevenTae
New member
This ^^^^x's 100
The reason you stopped growing is either diet, training, lack of sleep or a combination.
Kickboxing burns a lot of calories and is a lot of cardio. If you have a hard time gaining you need to re figure your caloric intake for your size and activity level. Welter weight boxers eat 8k to 10k calories a day to maintain muscle at 130-155lbs or whatever weight they are. If you are constantly active you need to be constantly eating.
Kickboxing burns a lot of calories and is a lot of cardio. If you have a hard time gaining you need to re figure your caloric intake for your size and activity level. Welter weight boxers eat 8k to 10k calories a day to maintain muscle at 130-155lbs or whatever weight they are. If you are constantly active you need to be constantly eating.
ErectusMaximus
All things are temporary.
1st of I applaud your maturity. To have an idea in your head but still stay open-minded is a hard thing to do but your doing it. So this being said lemme say something about your kidneys. They did not adapt. The one @94% work load did not adapt. Once you turn 18 your kidneys slowly start to FAIL ( a fact look it up). This is true in all humans. Now I'm gonna drop the kidney issue cause you DO seem smart and I know your gonna consider this when you make up your mind.
The next thing I think you should ask yourself is this: Am I even close to my potential genetically?? Cause @ 20 you probrably are not. Even though people are telling you wait till you are 25 AT LEAST wait till you are 23. Your just really coming out of puberty and beginning to become a grown-ass man NOW. Don't mess it up.
I know you want results NOW. We all do! Use these next years to solidify a good diet, fall into a great sleep routine, and work on lifting routines, shake it up!
MOST IMPORTANTLY.... Question what I say, question what your uncle says,question everything and use your own brain!!!! Stay active here on this great site and learn. Good luck man and just hang in there don't jump the gun man.
The next thing I think you should ask yourself is this: Am I even close to my potential genetically?? Cause @ 20 you probrably are not. Even though people are telling you wait till you are 25 AT LEAST wait till you are 23. Your just really coming out of puberty and beginning to become a grown-ass man NOW. Don't mess it up.
I know you want results NOW. We all do! Use these next years to solidify a good diet, fall into a great sleep routine, and work on lifting routines, shake it up!
MOST IMPORTANTLY.... Question what I say, question what your uncle says,question everything and use your own brain!!!! Stay active here on this great site and learn. Good luck man and just hang in there don't jump the gun man.
SigmundRoid
'Roidian Slip
I have to agree with everyone in here telling you to work on your diet more.
When you put on weight, the amount of calories that you have to take in just to sustain goes up. And so does the amount you need to consume to grow. If your diet hasn't changed a lot since you put on weight, that's why you stopped gaining.
We'd all like to convince you to wait a few years to run gear. But the fact is that even if you do it now, you have to get your diet in check first. Or it'll be all side effects and risks, and no size gain.
When you put on weight, the amount of calories that you have to take in just to sustain goes up. And so does the amount you need to consume to grow. If your diet hasn't changed a lot since you put on weight, that's why you stopped gaining.
We'd all like to convince you to wait a few years to run gear. But the fact is that even if you do it now, you have to get your diet in check first. Or it'll be all side effects and risks, and no size gain.
SigmundRoid
'Roidian Slip
If that's what you have to do to get enough food, then do it!
My coworkers joke about how I'm always eating. But that's what I have to do to gain weight. Do it and be proud!
Thanks for all the advice guys. To answer a few qs; My uncle must have been cycling since he was 18 coz i saw a pic of him competing at that age n he was defo using something, he had a proper bodybuilders physique so hes been cycling on and off and hes in his 50s, owns his own gym down in london and his two sons who are now in their mid 20s have been cycling since they were 16/17. Since that age they went from looking like mini arnies to cut up athletes to absolute monsters. So theyve had knowledge passed on from their father so me and my bro have been talking to them about all this stuff.
i dont want to get massivley huge like a bodybuilder, but i want to look like i train hard n i can pack a good punch and i defo want my kickboxing to be affected positively by all this.
Our training is a mix of machine resistance and free weights, for example:
Triceps:
triangle bar pull down on pulley machine: 110x8, 120x6, 130(full rack)x6
single grip pull down on pulley: 3sets at 8,6,4 reps
Our tricep routine will usually have 7/8 exercises
and everything is pretty much the same sets and reps wise. One thing im having difficulty on is my chest. My chest is defo the weakest muscle for me. I train hard lifting some decent weight like 80kg on the pec deck but i dont see progress at all that it makes my arms look out of proportion coz i dont have a chest to match it.
i dont want to get massivley huge like a bodybuilder, but i want to look like i train hard n i can pack a good punch and i defo want my kickboxing to be affected positively by all this.
Our training is a mix of machine resistance and free weights, for example:
Triceps:
triangle bar pull down on pulley machine: 110x8, 120x6, 130(full rack)x6
single grip pull down on pulley: 3sets at 8,6,4 reps
Our tricep routine will usually have 7/8 exercises
and everything is pretty much the same sets and reps wise. One thing im having difficulty on is my chest. My chest is defo the weakest muscle for me. I train hard lifting some decent weight like 80kg on the pec deck but i dont see progress at all that it makes my arms look out of proportion coz i dont have a chest to match it.
Last edited:
If your primary purpose is to gain strength for your MMA/Kickboxing game, cut out the isolation exercises and focus more on compound exercises that work the body as a whole. Forget the pec deck, tricep pulleys and all the fancy gym machines that work individual muscles. These are used for isolating specific muscle groups and would be of little benefit to you.
Push Presses (Military presses done with a slight push of the legs), Deadlifts, Squats, Chest Presses (Bench presses), High Pulls, Cleans, Snatches and the variations of these exercises should be your main lifts. The last three exercises are Olympic style lifts. A fighter's body needs to work as a whole and needs different types of strength from different muscle groups. A fighter needs to be able to explode and for that you need POWER. A good portion of the exercises you need to perform should focus on raw explosive powerful strength, hence the inclusion of the Olympic lifts.
If you need help in performing the last three exercises, here's a link that might help you: Olympic-style Weightlifts: Exercise Instruction and Movement Analysis
Kettlebell training and pounding a huge ass tire with a sledge hammer also helps. Look up Frank Mir's weight training routine when he was trying to bulk up for Lesnar, you should be able to follow most of the exercises even without gear/juice as long as you take it slow. Other useful training routines are George St.Pierre's and Randy Couture's.
Last edited:
Similar threads
