Gyno myths debunked!

nescafe

Junior Bodybuilder
I will argue that gyno is better treated with nolvadex either while on or off cycle. There is lots of scientific literature that proves nolva can reduce or get rifd of gyno.

Everyone on these boards says use letro, but there is no scientific research to support this and the sides are very severe.

Case in point Nolva>letro fro gyno reversal
 
Aromatase inhibitors

Aromatase, also known as estrogen synthetase, is an enzyme complex present in brain, muscle, adipose tissue, gonads, skin, bone, liver and a variety of other tissues [29,30]. It represents a complex of a microsomal cytochrome P-450 enzyme and a NADPH-dependent cytochrome reductase [31,32]. This enzyme is responsible for converting testosterone to estradiol and the weak adrenal and testicular androgen, androstenedione, to estrone. Aromatase inhibitors would be expected to reduce gynecomastia by decreasing the peripheral aromatization of androgens to estrogens.



The first aromatase inhibitor to be used in the treatment of gynecomastia was testolactone. In an open labeled study of 22 pubertal males, Zachman et al administered 450 mg of the drug orally for 2 to 6 months and noted that gynecomastia had significantly decreased. Mean breast diameter decreased from 4.4 cm to 3.2 cm to 1.7 cm at 2, 4 and 6 months, respectively [33•]. There were no relapses following discontinuation of treatment. We examined the effect of testolactone on four patients with long standing, idiopathic gynecomastia who received escalating doses of the drug up to 750 mg over 6 months. In this prospective study, mean breast size decreased by 28, 32 and 47% at two, four and six months (p < 0.05), respectively. However, only one man had a complete resolution of gynecomastia.



There have been no systematic studies of the use of the second or third generation aromatase inhibitors such as fadrozole (Novartis), formestane (Novartis), exemestane (Pharmacia), letrozole (Novartis), anastrazole (AstraZeneca) or vorozole (Janssen) for the treatment of gynecomastia. However, anastrazole has successfully been used in three patients with gynecomastia due to aromatase excess mechanisms as described by Bulun [34]. A double-blind, prospective, placebo-controlled trial with anastrazole in 60 adolescents with pubertal gynecomastia is currently underway by AstraZeneca.

Not going to argue with you as I've never had gyno, but I have had friends use letro to remove it. The above excerpt shows that AI's are effective, but studies have not YET been done using letro. This doesn't mean that they do not work, just that studies haven't been published yet. You should show studies indicating that letrozole is not effective while only nolvadex is if you're going to claim to debunk something by the way. :p
 
Nolva was always my go to for gyno issues but then after reading RUI's write up and researching it further it seems Raloxifene is even better for gyno.
 
Not going to argue with you as I've never had gyno, but I have had friends use letro to remove it. The above excerpt shows that AI's are effective, but studies have not YET been done using letro. This doesn't mean that they do not work, just that studies haven't been published yet. You should show studies indicating that letrozole is not effective while only nolvadex is if you're going to claim to debunk something by the way. :p

yes but when your gyno is set in, your off cycle and estrogen levels are normal now.... its not the best option to further crash estrogen when off cycle when you could just use Ralox or another serm for BLOCKING the estrogen at the breast while having it available for rest of body to use as needed.

if on cycle or right after then yes i can see using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but i would go the SERM route first before an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) when OFF cycle.
 
I will argue that gyno is better treated with nolvadex either while on or off cycle. There is lots of scientific literature that proves nolva can reduce or get rifd of gyno.

Everyone on these boards says use letro, but there is no scientific research to support this and the sides are very severe.

Case in point Nolva>letro fro gyno reversal

on cycle is not the same thing as off cycle gyno
using on cycle a serm wise a BANDAID to the issue going on which is high estrogen levels.
you fix that first with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and maybe a SERM for a week or so while waiting for Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to take effect.

and the sides are NOT severe with letro.
is is if you use TOO MUCH!
i use letro almost exclusively for on cycle gyno/estrogen control at LOW doses of 0.25-0.6mg eod. if you take 2.5mg eod then thats too much in my op.
also by covering up issue with a serm on cycle you also have edema, high bp and other issues arising that SERM wont help..
its juts a bad idea PERIOD.
fix the issue dont cover it up.
can you? sure know yourself out, but its NOT the best option.
 
haha..well im not saying they were right because i had to have surgery to have it removed. they said it was too late to treat i but if she was going to letro for couple days then nolva
 
It goea to the addage of whats best for YOU. Some folks will swear by nolva and others by letro. Apparently we seem to be a little different from one another....yes call me cookie so what works well for one perosn might not work so well for another.....golly gee wizzz can you belive that.

I would say you have to run a parallel study with a repeated reverse parallel study to see what works best for both individuals. Just because you see multiple studies done on one subject and nothong on what your cpmparing it to it seems a little premature to say one works and not the other. I think its right down ignorant if you ask ke but I have NEVER had to do parallel studies...ever.
 
yes but when your gyno is set in, your off cycle and estrogen levels are normal now.... its not the best option to further crash estrogen when off cycle when you could just use Ralox or another serm for BLOCKING the estrogen at the breast while having it available for rest of body to use as needed.

if on cycle or right after then yes i can see using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but i would go the SERM route first before an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) when OFF cycle.

VERY good point. I was actually hoping to find a study showing letro acting as an amazing gyno reducer just to be a smart-ass as I was feeling contrary at the time. :wiggle:
 
What dosage of letro and raloxifen? For how long? And can that be combined with the 2ml/day of nolva I'm taking now?
 
If you take Nolva than Raloxifen is not needed, but with Letro you cannot combine tamox
Letro 0,5 mg per day is enough
Ralox Dosage is 120 mg per day as clinically accepted
Tamox dosage is 40 mg , 20 mg two times per day
 
So, I'm pretty sure the liquid tamox I have now is 20mg=1ml. So you're saying take 40mg, or 2ml, per day, but break it up into 2 doses? 1ml in am and 1ml in pm?

And that's good to know about not stacking nolva with letro. Thanks for the response.

I just started nolva yesterday, and I noticed small gyno lumps about 3 days ago. Should I continue with the nolva or stop it and begin taking letro?
 
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