gyno sensitive cycle? NEED ADVICE

[bte2]

I am new to posting on these forums although I am not new to reading them, or to the game in general... With that said thus far I have found most all of my questions could be answered using the search function, hence the lack of posts.

I recently did my first cycle, it was 250mg/week of test e with femara if i needed it (which i did). I had worsening of my already existent gyno while on 1mg of femara per day. This was on week 2. I upped the dosage to the max of 2.5 mg's per day and it went into remission, and came back even stronger on week 4. At this point i decided to terminate the cycle and I then ran the clomid/ nolvadex protocol. I had some decent gains in strength that were kept, but nothing extraordinary, like I was hoping for.

My question/concern is... how am I so sensitive to gyno? On forums it seems almost nobody ever gets gyno an arimidex, and I get it on 2.5 mg per day of femara?

I was wondering if there is ANY cycle I can try without ANY serious risk of gyno. I still have half a vial of test e 250mg/ml. I was thinking maybe running 8 weeks of masteron with 5 weeks of test e followed by 3 of test p with the femara? I was also considering winstrol and anavar. Primo is out of my price range.

I'm hoping to get some advice from the more experienced vets on here. Bodybuilding is very important to me, and i would hate to never be able to touch the stuff, and i dont have the cash for surgery.

 

[Greazy-Pickle]

your gonna need a low dose of test nomatter what you run.. i would say save up the cash and go for primo depot... its not all that expensive.. what are your goals? and what are you at right now? and gyno with 2.5mg of letro is almost unbelievable.. you sure the letro was legit?

 

[bte2]

Excuse me i suppose i should post some lifting stats and goals, history etc.
My goal is to get as ripped and strong as possible while maintaining a bodyweight of under 200 pounds. I seem to be prone to injuries when I get really bulky as I play sports.
Right now I am fairly lean, leaner than I look due to my gyno ... Probably between 11 and 14 % bodyfat at 195 (5'8 tall). My 5 rep bench is ~250, my 5 rep deadlift is ~385, i can do a few reps of dips with 100 lbs strapped on, and i can do about 12 really slow perfect form pullups.
Hope this helps. I need advice and am hoping not to be taken as a noob and flamed.

 

[bte2]

the letro was from ancillary guys (dont know if i can post this if not delete it). Umm.. the only possible explanation i can think of is there is a rare endocrine disorder called adrenal hyperplasia that my sister was diagnosed with...

But you think primo would be better than masteron? My understanding was that masteron will add some strength while also having anti-e properties?

How much primo do you think I would need for say an 8 week cycle?

One other thing to note is that while i seem to be very prone to estrogenic sides, I also grow muscle very quickly off moderate doses

 

[Greazy-Pickle]

an 8week cycle of primo is pointless.. if you choose primo go for atleast 14 @ atleast 500mg.. with a low shot of test and maybe some anavar or tbol youll have excellent results/.. imo primo is way underrated.. if theres a reason you need to run a short 8 week cycle.. prop/tren/winny would be nice.. i get my letro from RUI and never had an issue..

 

[bte2]

i know tren doesn't aromatize but doesn't it have a risk of progestin sides? If not I do keep coming back to tren, as I can't seem to find anything besides primo ($$$) which would produce good gains without the risk.

I just don't know if i want to do tren as a semi novice, however i did have a brief bout with superdrol, and that shit was hella intense.

 

[Teutonic]

Pickle made a good point as did OP; tren is very strong and MAY cause progest. related gyno...I m intolerant of it...
I used to have gyno and had mine cut out 20 years ago...
Primo is more expensive but it s YOUR body..
RUI is good stuff..imo.
Aromasine is my anti e of choice...

 

[t1007]

If your prone to gyno you should start the letro before you start your cycle. Letro might not kick in for a month.

 

[Greazy-Pickle]

If your prone to gyno you should start the letro before you start your cycle. Letro might not kick in for a month.

never heard of this.. if my tits get sensitive letro knocks it down after 1 day..

 

[bte2]

what do you guys think of running test 180, winstrol 50mg/day (oral), and masteron 200 per week?
I would have aromasin on hand with nolva.
I don't want to take anything where i would have to go the letro route again... too many sides.

edit: for 60 days

 

[Greazy-Pickle]

Open dose-finding study of a new potent and selective nonsteroidal aromatase inhibitor, CGS 20 267[Letrozole], in healthy male subjects

PF Trunet, P Mueller, AS Bhatnagar, I es, G Monnet and G White
Research and Development Department, CIBA-GEIGY Limited, Basel, Switzerland.

The aim of this open, dose-finding study was to evaluate the effects of single dose CGS 20 267, a new oral nonsteroidal aromatase inhibitor, on the inhibition of estrogen production and also on the production of adrenal and testicular steroids in healthy male subjects. Nine dose levels ranging from 0.02-30 mg and placebo were tested, each dose being given to 3 subjects only. A total of 18 subjects were included; 12 of them received 2 single administration, the remaining 6 were exposed only once to one of the 2 highest dose levels. A reduction in serum estrogen levels when compared to baseline was already observed after 2 h, reaching maximum suppression between 10 and 48 h after administration. After 24 h, a suppression of estrone levels by 60-85% from baseline was achieved with all tested doses. A reduction in estradiol levels by about 30% from baseline was observed at the lowest dose (0.02 mg). This reduction was further enhanced dose dependently to a maximum of about 90% from baseline at 24 h after administration of the highest dose (30 mg). With the higher doses (10 and 30 mg), estrogen suppression was maintained up to 3 days. A dose-dependent increase of testosterone, lh - leutenizing hormone - , and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - was observed and was most pronounced in the 10- and 30-mg dose groups, which can be considered as a consequence of the long-lasting aromatase inhibition achieved with these high doses. No effect on serum cortisol and aldosterone levels was observed up to the highest dose. No clinically relevant changes were observed in blood chemistry and hematology tests. The systemic and subjective tolerability of CGS 20 267 was good at all doses. This study has shown that CGS 20 267 is a well tolerated, potent, selective, and long-acting inhibitor of the aromatase enzyme after single administration.

 

[t1007]

In the search bar type in "good read regarding gyno" the article talks about how to dose letro. Its the best article Ive read about it.

 

[t1007]

Anyone read the article? The articles just one opinion I myself dont take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout my cycle but I havent had any gyno issues if I did Id run it the way the article says to.