Gyno that changes size...Need advice

gonzolo

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I ran a prohormone cycle back in January that I got gyno from. I ran p-mag. I did not use any AI's on cycle or in post cycle therapy (pct). I only used clomid for post cycle therapy (pct) and my test recovered just fine. I was an idiot cycling the pmag at bodyfat 20+%, so I deserve full blame for the gyno. The only thing is, I just can't understand how my gyno behaves.

So a little more history:
I ran letro for about a month right after post cycle therapy (pct) at 2.5mg's. I used a reputable RC company's letro, and it seemed to actually work. After letro I did 2 weeks of RC nolva for 2 weeks at 20mgs.

My lump shrank by like 90% while on letro. I stopped letro though because I could not handle the sides after a month. While on nolva, I started taking caffiene and ephedrine in order to fight off the sides I got from nolva.
While on nolva the lump starts to come back, and as soon as I came off the nolva the lump pretty much returned to the pre-letro treatment size ( i was on caffiene/ ephedrine the whole time during nolva and after nolva).

Not wanting to give up so easily, I ordered pharm grade nolva, and started taking it at 20mg's a day (without any caffiene/ ephedrine). Wow I could tell the difference right away, pharm grade nolva shrunk this down better than the RC letro.

So basically, after a week I went off the nolva (the lump nearly disappeared again), and as soon as I did some caffiene my lump increased in size. Now for the past few months I've been going back and forth managing my gyno with pharm grade nolva (shrinking it down after it grows in size).
My gyno grows in size either when I:
do any caffiene
eat any high GI carb (like dextrose or any type of sugar).

This shit is seriously annoying and I do not know what to do about it. The gyno is in my right nipple and it is not too hard. It is kind of squishy.

Its not really noticable at all, especially in the winter when its cold and my nipples are hard all the time. Its just I really like my caffiene, so I really want to get rid of this gyno. Managing it with nolva sucks big time, and I would love to get rid of it.

I have heard people having success with fully reversing their gyno with nolva at 40mg's a day for a few months, but there is no way I could accomplish that. Whenever I do nolva for more than 3-4 days in a row, the sides get to me which forces me to do some caffiene to give me some energy and fight off the sides. The caffiene then aggrevates the gyno, and it puts me back to square 1.
I am probably gonna try pharm grade letro one more time to see if that works.
I have not cycled since the pmag and will never fuck with prohormones again.
Does anyone have any advice they can give me?
 
caffeine is known to inhibit the clearance of estro from the liver... so that might play a part.. i have never heard of higher carbs causing such an issue...

your problem here is that your running a SERM instead of an AI.. get on some Adex or Aromasin for a while... add the nolva 40/40/20/20 and then come off.. your hormones are out of wack.. blood work with an estro read would be really helpful
 
My latest bloods (about a month ago) after a week on pharm grade nolva:
Test 1021
Estradiol: 56

So while my estradiol is somewhat in the higher range, the ratio of test to estradiol is fine.

I guess that makes sense with the caffiene. Seriously I need to get rid of this gyno though because it is like living with a disability (i need my caffeine!)
Any ideas?
 
yea your test is high too because of the nolva... nolva shouldn't be causing a bounce back when you get off.. but it might with your body specifically..

i still recommend an ai..

also did you get your liver enzymes checked?
 
Yea they are totally fine and all within range. I guess I will order some pharm grade letro and see how that goes.
To anyone reading this who has or has had gyno, did your gyno ever change in size whenever you took caffiene, drank alchohol, or did anything else which could potentially aggrevate it?
If yes then how did you deal with it?
 
Actually yes when I drank alot of alcohol a few days in a row, my gyno stopped going away when I was on letro. So just dont drink if you are trying to get rid of gyno. Letro works great btw!
 
I agree with 3J on it will rebound back if you dont slowly get off of letro! I did 2.5mg for 2 weeks then 1.5mg of 2 weeks 1 mg for 2 weeks then .5mg for 2 weeks. I didnt have a rebound at all
 
When I ran letro I did not taper down. i ran it 2.5mg the whole way through because I read that the Nolva makes the letro 38% less effective or something. So I discountinued the letro and immediately started nolva 20mg's for 2 weeks.

I have a feeling I got a reccurrence probably because I used research grade letro instead of pharm grade. I will try this again with pharm grade, and this time I will taper down as well.
I will do
2.5mg letro x 2 weeks
1.25mg letro x 1 week
20 mg nolva x 1.5-2 weeks depending on how I can handle the sides.
 
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