supersafado
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I have read a few different threads about Frontloading and i was wanting to get everyones opinion.
I know someone will ask stats.
27 6'0 200 15%bf
Will be starting first cycle.
500mg test 12 weeks.
12.5mg aromasin ed
pct nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/50/50
So my question is this: what is everyones opinion on frontloading. I have seen a lot for and alot against.
Have i considered it? kind of... but mostly just trying to increase my knowledge of the subject. I know at some point someone will answer my question of should i frontload. If so how much?
However, the reason i posted this thread was not just for me and my first cycle but over all understanding of the subject.
The last post i read was from another site. Hope he doesn't mind if i quote it. Thought i was a good explanation of how it works.
Frontloading motives and benefits explained.
First and foremost, this is some absolutely 3rd grade writing. If someone will unfu(k my plight and make it clear and flowing, I'll edit it and update it. I'm TIRED.
I’m surprised there isn’t a sticky on frontloading, and if there is one, why does it seem like it’s never read.
Below are the amounts released in a week when not frontloading
250mg x 2 of enanthate
Week 1 195 39%
Week 2 336 67%
Week 3 406 81%
Week 4 447 89%
Week 5 458 92%
Week 6 466 93%
Week 7 471 94%
Week 8 473 95%
This ramping up process is because you are ADDING the remaining mg that hasn't expired from the last dosage to the next one ... which gradually builds up to a peak around week 7 or 8. Thus, you start getting the full INTENDED effect around that time. You can circumvent this WHOLE ramp up process and frontload. You're goal isn't related to what you inject weekly per se, it's how many ACTIVE mg there are in your body per day. THAT is the important number.
This is the amount you get per week if you DO frontload, and take double your dosage during the first week.
Week 1 394 79%
Week 2 475 95%
Week 3 475 95%
Week 4 475 95%
Week 5 475 95%
Week 6 475 95%
Week 7 475 95%
Week 8 475 95%
All this does is circumvent the lag time in building your weekly release value up to your target usage. This doesn't accelerate the lag of your body to start responding to it. For instance, EQ amongst other things increases RBC, maybe that's part of what takes it a while to fully kick in... but who cares about that, why not just get the full intended volume up to a steady level and go from there?
Check out the “roid calculator”. Experiment on there with different dosages, and frontloading. Set up your normal cycle on there, and see what your residual is on week 8 BEFORE you inject. Essentially, ADD that to 500mg... thats the amount of MG you need in your body to get the daily release value you're targeting.
minimizes the anxious time of waiting for it to kick in and figure out if it’s real or not.
roidcalc.com/
Remember, there are two factors that control your physical response to the drugs.
1. The daily release/active value...
2. Time for your body to start responding to it.
First, if you take Test-prop, it doesn’t affect you instantly... it takes a little while to kick in, despite its instant bio availability.
On top of that, mg per mg, enanthate is weaker, the ester takes up a greater amount of space/weight, so it's actually about 10% less than prop when considering that factor.
What would be nice is an excel spreadsheet with the formulas imbedded with locked fields for all but the necessary cells for changing the mg and half life.
People generally add a few weeks to cycle length when running long esters so that you actually get MORE weeks AT the intended dosage rather than spending the majority of the time building up to the peak just before quitting. The problem with this in my book is that a week with an abnormal HTPA and atrophying nuts needs damned well to be producing gains. It’s a simple decision, if I’m taking risks, I want rewards.
I know someone will ask stats.
27 6'0 200 15%bf
Will be starting first cycle.
500mg test 12 weeks.
12.5mg aromasin ed
pct nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/50/50
So my question is this: what is everyones opinion on frontloading. I have seen a lot for and alot against.
Have i considered it? kind of... but mostly just trying to increase my knowledge of the subject. I know at some point someone will answer my question of should i frontload. If so how much?
However, the reason i posted this thread was not just for me and my first cycle but over all understanding of the subject.
The last post i read was from another site. Hope he doesn't mind if i quote it. Thought i was a good explanation of how it works.
Frontloading motives and benefits explained.
First and foremost, this is some absolutely 3rd grade writing. If someone will unfu(k my plight and make it clear and flowing, I'll edit it and update it. I'm TIRED.
I’m surprised there isn’t a sticky on frontloading, and if there is one, why does it seem like it’s never read.
Below are the amounts released in a week when not frontloading
250mg x 2 of enanthate
Week 1 195 39%
Week 2 336 67%
Week 3 406 81%
Week 4 447 89%
Week 5 458 92%
Week 6 466 93%
Week 7 471 94%
Week 8 473 95%
This ramping up process is because you are ADDING the remaining mg that hasn't expired from the last dosage to the next one ... which gradually builds up to a peak around week 7 or 8. Thus, you start getting the full INTENDED effect around that time. You can circumvent this WHOLE ramp up process and frontload. You're goal isn't related to what you inject weekly per se, it's how many ACTIVE mg there are in your body per day. THAT is the important number.
This is the amount you get per week if you DO frontload, and take double your dosage during the first week.
Week 1 394 79%
Week 2 475 95%
Week 3 475 95%
Week 4 475 95%
Week 5 475 95%
Week 6 475 95%
Week 7 475 95%
Week 8 475 95%
All this does is circumvent the lag time in building your weekly release value up to your target usage. This doesn't accelerate the lag of your body to start responding to it. For instance, EQ amongst other things increases RBC, maybe that's part of what takes it a while to fully kick in... but who cares about that, why not just get the full intended volume up to a steady level and go from there?
Check out the “roid calculator”. Experiment on there with different dosages, and frontloading. Set up your normal cycle on there, and see what your residual is on week 8 BEFORE you inject. Essentially, ADD that to 500mg... thats the amount of MG you need in your body to get the daily release value you're targeting.
minimizes the anxious time of waiting for it to kick in and figure out if it’s real or not.
roidcalc.com/
Remember, there are two factors that control your physical response to the drugs.
1. The daily release/active value...
2. Time for your body to start responding to it.
First, if you take Test-prop, it doesn’t affect you instantly... it takes a little while to kick in, despite its instant bio availability.
On top of that, mg per mg, enanthate is weaker, the ester takes up a greater amount of space/weight, so it's actually about 10% less than prop when considering that factor.
What would be nice is an excel spreadsheet with the formulas imbedded with locked fields for all but the necessary cells for changing the mg and half life.
People generally add a few weeks to cycle length when running long esters so that you actually get MORE weeks AT the intended dosage rather than spending the majority of the time building up to the peak just before quitting. The problem with this in my book is that a week with an abnormal HTPA and atrophying nuts needs damned well to be producing gains. It’s a simple decision, if I’m taking risks, I want rewards.
