HCG advice on Tren A/ Test P cycle

[brandon.miller416]

Proposed Cycle

wk 1-10 Test Prop @ 50mg eod
wk 1-8 Tren Ace @ 50mg eod (could bump it up to 75mg eod if I can handle it)
wk 1-10 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) @ 250iu 2x per week
wk 1-14 Aromasin @12.5mg ed

PCT
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Aromasin

Have Caber on hand

• 
  My questions are should Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) be taken from the day of the first injection to the last injection day or can I start injecting Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) around 2 weeks in?

• Also should I consider bumping my test prop dosage up? I've just heard good things about running a low dose of test with tren.

• Should I run Prop longer than Tren like I have?

Stats:
23/220lbs/6'2"/have some previous cycle experience

Goals:
Looking to drop from 10% bf to 8%

 

[brandon.miller416]

I think I'm going to run it like this instead:

wk 1-10 test Prop @ 70mg eod (245mg/wk)
wk 1-8 tren Ace @ 100mg eod (350mg/wk)
wk 1-10 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) @ 250iu 2x per week
wk 1-10 Aromasin @12.5mg ed
Caber if necessary

PCT
clomid 100/100/50/50
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5

Feel free to chime in if you have any advice. If not... I'll let yall know how it goes when I start in a month or two

 

[Repo]

As far as the hCG here's how I would run it...

Start from day1 - if you can't - just start as sone as possible.

Run 500iu's twice a week - take one week off - and repeat.

In the link below - you'll see a thread in the "Sticky" section - which is called
Standard PCT - from THE-DET-OAK - this has everything you need to know
about your hCG and PCT.

There are other options for your hCG ... I'm just giving my regimen which I got from DET
almost two years ago and has worked perfectly ... "I'm blasting and cruising."

Here''s the link.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/595482-standard-pcts.html

 

[thades]

Agree with depo about the hcg. Depending on how big you are, and how your body responds you may need more than 500iu's a week to "keep the boys full size". For me i've found i need about 700iu's a week to keep them full size. If you can get some extra Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) it would be beneficial to a FAST recovery if you can run an Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) blast before you start the clomid.

SECOND cycle you proposed looks good, i really wouldn't run less than 350mg a week with the tren. (some will probably disagree with this) Also like that you are running your tren higher than test, for me at least, MUCH less side effects. To help the sides even more, i've found there is a big difference between pinning ED vs EOD...if you can stand the added needles.

Glad you have caber on hand, but if i were you i'd start the caber from day 1 at .5mg once a week or even twice and go from there. Most people dont need more than 1mg a week but tren always fucks with me so i have to start the caber from day one.

Definitely run the prop longer than the tren

 

[brandon.miller416]

Thanks for the advice guys. To clarify though, looking at Det-Oaks thread it looks like I will now run 1000iu/wk.

wk 1-5 1000iu/wk
wk 6 off
week 7-10 1000iu/wk

how do I do the blast phase though on a short ester like prop?

Det-Oak recommends

#1 500iu's every day.
#2 750iu's every day.
#3 1,000iu's every other day.
#4 1,500iu's every other day.

But if I start clomid 3 days after my last injection and am suppose to start blasting the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) the day of my last injection how do I squeeze this blasting phase in? I thought your suppose to wait 4 days after your last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) injection to start your SERM.

 

[brandon.miller416]

I guess during the last week of my cycle wk10 I can use 500iu ed for 12 days. So I technically wouldn't start my serm treatment for 9 days after my last prop shot or 4 days after my last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shot.

 

[couch]

wk 1-10 test Prop @ 70mg eod (245mg/wk)
wk 1-8 tren Ace @ 100mg eod (350mg/wk)

these numbers seem low. i know a couple people disagree with me, but i feel ace needs to be pinned ed. and for tren, i think it really needs 400mg to work well. and prop is a slightly longer ester than acetate, but it might be easier to just go with 35 prop and 50 ace ed (i go with 75 prop and 60 ace ed).

 

[juced_porkchop]

Proposed Cycle

wk 1-10 Test Prop @ 50mg eod
wk 1-8 Tren Ace @ 50mg eod (could bump it up to 75mg eod if I can handle it)
wk 1-10 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) @ 250iu 2x per week
wk 1-14 Aromasin @12.5mg ed

PCT
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Aromasin

Have Caber on hand

• 
  My questions are should Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) be taken from the day of the first injection to the last injection day or can I start injecting Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) around 2 weeks in?

• Also should I consider bumping my test prop dosage up? I've just heard good things about running a low dose of test with tren.

• Should I run Prop longer than Tren like I have?

Stats:
23/220lbs/6'2"/have some previous cycle experience

Goals:
Looking to drop from 10% bf to 8%

I rec th euse of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for help with recovery as follows:

last 4-6 weeks of cycle leading UP TO but NOT into post cycle therapy (pct). ran at 500iu 2X a week (about 3-4 days apart)

I believe using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for long periods of time and/or at super high doses can damage the testies FOR GOOD.

some will debate that but point is it works with only a few weeks of use, so why use it the whole cycle IF its only for recovery?.
if its for ball size if you care (i dont) then go ahead....
but most dont shrink much and even if so its only for while on cycle till recovered.
your still (shut down) in some areas. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is mimicking some things, but it is in no way being "recovered" just because you are one hcg.

 

[juced_porkchop]

these numbers seem low. i know a couple people disagree with me, but i feel ace needs to be pinned ed. and for tren, i think it really needs 400mg to work well. and prop is a slightly longer ester than acetate, but it might be easier to just go with 35 prop and 50 ace ed (i go with 75 prop and 60 ace ed).

your crazy wrong on the tren but i agree about the test.
tren at even 200-300mg can give good gains and also ALOT of nasty side effects to some.
i myself wont go over 400mg tren ew yet will use 1-1.5g of test no prob.

I rec upping the test and keeping the tren the same.
say 150mg eod test.

good luck

 

[juced_porkchop]

I guess during the last week of my cycle wk10 I can use 500iu ed for 12 days. So I technically wouldn't start my serm treatment for 9 days after my last prop shot or 4 days after my last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shot.

not very much use of hcg... but i guess it may help. i wold rec 3-5 weeks of it. but if thats all you have then thats good

 

[brandon.miller416]

That would be just for the last week leading to post cycle therapy (pct). Not during post cycle therapy (pct). I was also planning on using 500iu 2x per week throughout the entire cycle then "blast" with 500ed for 14 days starting the last week of my cycle.

So you don't think it's necessary to start Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on day 1 of the cycle but instead start around week 4?

 

[thades]

That would be just for the last week leading to post cycle therapy (pct). Not during post cycle therapy (pct). I was also planning on using 500iu 2x per week throughout the entire cycle then "blast" with 500ed for 14 days starting the last week of my cycle.

So you don't think it's necessary to start Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on day 1 of the cycle but instead start around week 4?

Depends on how your body reacts to AAS. For me, i have to start my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from day one or the boys start shrinking really fast and take awhile to come back.

Also, this is how you should run your Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) blast and then PCT

3 days after last pin:
-1000-2000ius(depending on how much you have) eod for a total of ten days...5 pins.
-Two days after your last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) pin start your clomid at 100mg ed

 

[Repo]

Without judging your cycle.

Here's the one thing you should consider if you are going to increase your dose of tren.

As the tren goes up - the test should go down - and this should only be done if you know
how your body reacts to tren.

Here's how I went through the process ... I was running test-e at 750mg and tren-e at 400.

After reading some of DET and User's posts - I gradually flip-flopped the doses.

Here's why...

Both test and tren are very androgenic and compete for the same androgen receptors - so you
really want to have more of the dry lean and mass gains from tren over test.

But this is only for those who can run tren without the sides.

In my case I've realized the sides - really came from running "testosterone" too high - while stacking
tren.

I've been able to run tren-e at 800 and test-e at 400 with very good results - and the only
sides were random night sweats.

I should also mention - juced_porkchop - knows what he's talking about - and there are many
people who would not be able to run a cycle like this ... "so please - don't jump into a cycle
like this without knowing how your body reacts to tren."

 

[couch]

I am starting to wonder about the test lower than tren. One of these days I'm going to give it a go. The porkchop does know his shit, so I am thinking maybe try it.

Repo: when you say you flip-flopped test and tren does that mean you ran tren at 750 and test at 400?

 

[brandon.miller416]

Without judging your cycle.

Here's the one thing you should consider if you are going to increase your dose of tren.

As the tren goes up - the test should go down - and this should only be done if you know
how your body reacts to tren.

Here's how I went through the process ... I was running test-e at 750mg and tren-e at 400.

After reading some of DET and User's posts - I gradually flip-flopped the doses.

Here's why...

Both test and tren are very androgenic and compete for the same androgen receptors - so you
really want to have more of the dry lean and mass gains from tren over test.

But this is only for those who can run tren without the sides.

In my case I've realized the sides - really came from running "testosterone" too high - while stacking
tren.

I've been able to run tren-e at 800 and test-e at 400 with very good results - and the only
sides were random night sweats.

I should also mention - juced_porkchop - knows what he's talking about - and there are many
people who would not be able to run a cycle like this ... "so please - don't jump into a cycle
like this without knowing how your body reacts to tren."

I'm probably not going to up the tren. I'll probable end up pinning 50mg ed instead of 100mg eod. This is my first run with tren so I'd like to keep the dose relatively low to see how I react to it. This is also why I'm running ace instead of enth. And reading some of DET's posts is the reason why I'm running such a low dose of test.

I want the tren to be doing the work while the test doseage is enough for normal function while the tren shuts me down. At least that's how I was understanding Det-Oaks posts.

 

[brandon.miller416]

Here's a pretty good thread on why some people run tren higher than test.

What's the basis on runnning tren higher than test

 

[Repo]

I am starting to wonder about the test lower than tren. One of these days I'm going to give it a go. The porkchop does know his shit, so I am thinking maybe try it.

Repo: when you say you flip-flopped test and tren does that mean you ran tren at 750 and test at 400?

Yeah - except it was test-e 400 and tren-e 800.

The link that Brandon posted is a must read - that is where I first learned about the test and tren ratio.

 

[Repo]

I'm probably not going to up the tren. I'll probable end up pinning 50mg ed instead of 100mg eod. This is my first run with tren so I'd like to keep the dose relatively low to see how I react to it. This is also why I'm running ace instead of enth. And reading some of DET's posts is the reason why I'm running such a low dose of test.

I want the tren to be doing the work while the test doseage is enough for normal function while the tren shuts me down. At least that's how I was understanding Det-Oaks posts.

You're right about starting off with the lower dose of tren this time for sure ... "good call."

It's been a while sense I've read the whole thread - but I don't recall DET mentioning tren shutting you down?

So far to date - I haven't had to worry about anything shutting me down (even through my heaviest cycles) which I have to give credit to
most of this is from following much of DET and Users advise.

By running hCG throughout my cycles (and following the right advise) - I've been able to keep myself running very strong without
shutting down.

But that's not important right now - just keep asking questions - reading - taking notes and you'll do just fine.