hCG and Estrogen aromatization

[angry_swoles]

Has anybody found that hCG increases their likelihood of developing gyno while on cycle? I have read that hCG stimulates aromatization. 3 weeks in, 50mg dbol ED, 350mg test/week, 525mg tren ace/week, .5 EOD adex, .5mg prami ED. 500iu hCG 2 x week..... Figured the adex would be enough to cover me. Guess not.

Anyone else with a similar experience?

 

[letsgetyolked]

Dude yes. I started HCG about 3 weeks ago in the middle of my tren ace and test prop cycle and I developed puffy nipples all of a sudden. I was taking 12.5 mg's of aromasin e/d and I just bumped it to 18 mg's e/d now. But, yeah I definetely noticed more aromatization ever since I started doing 350 iu's of HCG every 3 days.

Btw im running 150 mg's of tren ace and 100 mg's of prop e/o/d. I've even started prami @ .5 mg's e/d (dosing at .25 mg's, twice a day) and it still hasn't helped the puffy nipples.

That's hiliarous, I just realized we are running the exact same doses on tren and prop. Although, I'm not running dbol ha.

 

[luckypaul]

Dude yes. I started HCG about 3 weeks ago in the middle of my tren ace and test prop cycle and I developed puffy nipples all of a sudden. I was taking 12.5 mg's of aromasin e/d and I just bumped it to 18 mg's e/d now. But, yeah I definetely noticed more aromatization ever since I started doing 350 iu's of HCG every 3 days.

Btw im running 150 mg's of tren ace and 100 mg's of prop e/o/d. I've even started prami @ .5 mg's e/d (dosing at .25 mg's, twice a day) and it still hasn't helped the puffy nipples.

That's hiliarous, I just realized we are running the exact same doses on tren and prop. Although, I'm not running dbol ha.

Bro have you ever noticed E2 sides before while using test only? Or did it start after using a 19 nor AAS? The small amount of test that hcg would stimulate it would seem to me would be nothing compared to what you are running in your cycle and an AI would handle that no problem.

Hcg is essential to recovery.

LP

 

[angry_swoles]

Dude yes. I started HCG about 3 weeks ago in the middle of my tren ace and test prop cycle and I developed puffy nipples all of a sudden. I was taking 12.5 mg's of aromasin e/d and I just bumped it to 18 mg's e/d now. But, yeah I definetely noticed more aromatization ever since I started doing 350 iu's of HCG every 3 days.

Btw im running 150 mg's of tren ace and 100 mg's of prop e/o/d. I've even started prami @ .5 mg's e/d (dosing at .25 mg's, twice a day) and it still hasn't helped the puffy nipples.

That's hiliarous, I just realized we are running the exact same doses on tren and prop. Although, I'm not running dbol ha.

Ha that's awesome. How are your gains so far? And tell me about libido? I was horny as fuck until gyno started 7 days ago. The last 2 days, it's been picking back up, so I'm almost certain it had to do with E2. I'm getting sick of pinning ED. I virtually have no sides except for this gyno that happened immediately after I started hcg.

In the past, I have noticed that Adex really doesn't do a damn thing. Even high doses. From multiple manufactures. Aromasin is what I respond well too. Since I am on Tren, nolva is a no-no, I'm gonna start raloxifene 60mg ED for 10 then drop to 30mg for the remainder of my cycle. 25mg Aromasin ED for 10 days, then 12.5 ED if needed so this shit goes down. It isnt good. Funny thing is that it is on the side of my nipple. They aren't really that puffy, just a lump but on the side, not under the nip.

I had my blood taken. Prolactin and progesterone are spot on perfect so that isn't the problem. Still waiting for E2 levels.

I dropped Dbol after 2 weeks, dropped it the first day I noticed signs of gyno. Stopped hcg as well. I'm only on day 20, I'll pick it back up in smaller doses week 6.

 

[angry_swoles]

Bro have you ever noticed E2 sides before while using test only? Or did it start after using a 19 nor AAS? The small amount of test that hcg would stimulate it would seem to me would be nothing compared to what you are running in your cycle and an AI would handle that no problem.

Hcg is essential to recovery.

LP

Yes, I have noticed E2 sides from test only. Particularly test e, not so much test prop. But NOTHING as bad and as quickly coming on as it is now. It is for sure the HCG and or dbol, but even dbol never made it this bad.

 

[angry_swoles]

bump

 

[letsgetyolked]

Ha that's awesome. How are your gains so far? And tell me about libido? I was horny as fuck until gyno started 7 days ago. The last 2 days, it's been picking back up, so I'm almost certain it had to do with E2. I'm getting sick of pinning ED. I virtually have no sides except for this gyno that happened immediately after I started hcg.

In the past, I have noticed that Adex really doesn't do a damn thing. Even high doses. From multiple manufactures. Aromasin is what I respond well too. Since I am on Tren, nolva is a no-no, I'm gonna start raloxifene 60mg ED for 10 then drop to 30mg for the remainder of my cycle. 25mg Aromasin ED for 10 days, then 12.5 ED if needed so this shit goes down. It isnt good. Funny thing is that it is on the side of my nipple. They aren't really that puffy, just a lump but on the side, not under the nip.

I had my blood taken. Prolactin and progesterone are spot on perfect so that isn't the problem. Still waiting for E2 levels.

I dropped Dbol after 2 weeks, dropped it the first day I noticed signs of gyno. Stopped hcg as well. I'm only on day 20, I'll pick it back up in smaller doses week 6.

Good thing you just bumped, otherwise I would've never seen this haha. I've actually noticed that after bumping my aromasin from 12.5 mg's e/d to ~18 mg's e/d now. The puffyness has gone down from what I can tell. I think my E2 was just elevated and 12.5 mg's of aromasin e/d just wasn't cutting it. I naturall have high estro levels off cycle. I'm always at the far end of the normal range, and occasionally it will be a few points higher than normal too. Tomorrow is my last injection of the tren. I only ran it for 6 weeks. I'll run prop until my supply of aromasin runs out which should be another 2 weeks. I'd keep the hcg man. Don't stop it!!!! Gains have been really good so far. I'm up about 12 pounds and I've been eating eating at maintenance too. I switched from a high fat/low carb diet to a moderate carb/low fat diet about 3 weeks back and that's when all the gains started to come in. I realized with tren your body needs carbs to work its magic with tren.

 

[antr bn shdad]

I read that hcg. should only run for 2-3 weeks of 1500-5000.no more..so you can keep it for the last 3weeks befor pct.every week a one inject .then ur pct..AI. arimidex is 1 tablet ed coz u r running dbol and test more androgen more strength more gains more side effects .

 

[antr bn shdad]

sorry I forget this u must have blood work so u can know if estrogen is high or low.donot guess .BLOOD WORK should be done

 

[Captncavematt]

Has anybody found that hCG increases their likelihood of developing gyno while on cycle? I have read that hCG stimulates aromatization. 3 weeks in, 50mg dbol ED, 350mg test/week, 525mg tren ace/week, .5 EOD adex, .5mg prami ED. 500iu hCG 2 x week..... Figured the adex would be enough to cover me. Guess not.

Anyone else with a similar experience?

Yep. On a low dose cycle of sustenon (350 mg wk), and d bol (20 mg ed). Dex at the same dose did not do squat. Never ran HCG before and never had issues. Letro got things back in control quick.

 

[angry_swoles]

Good thing you just bumped, otherwise I would've never seen this haha. I've actually noticed that after bumping my aromasin from 12.5 mg's e/d to ~18 mg's e/d now. The puffyness has gone down from what I can tell. I think my E2 was just elevated and 12.5 mg's of aromasin e/d just wasn't cutting it. I naturall have high estro levels off cycle. I'm always at the far end of the normal range, and occasionally it will be a few points higher than normal too. Tomorrow is my last injection of the tren. I only ran it for 6 weeks. I'll run prop until my supply of aromasin runs out which should be another 2 weeks. I'd keep the hcg man. Don't stop it!!!! Gains have been really good so far. I'm up about 12 pounds and I've been eating eating at maintenance too. I switched from a high fat/low carb diet to a moderate carb/low fat diet about 3 weeks back and that's when all the gains started to come in. I realized with tren your body needs carbs to work its magic with tren.

I am the exact same way. Off cycle my test was 676ng/ml and my estrogen was 49. Estro just outta range. Pretty sure that this adex is just underdose. My gyno is pretty damn big the left is the size of a nickel, just 1 lump, and the right a few pea sized lumps. Slightly puffy, but not too bad. This ADEX is garbage. I'm at 1mg ED and still nothing. Still waiting for my aromasin and raloxifene to arrive.... I'm gonna stay on cycle. It isn't getting any worse, I will most likely have Estro levels tomorrow so I'll keep yall posted.

Do you eat most of your carbs in the morning? I have been trying to eat fats and protein at night, and carb and protein in mornings.....But you're right, I just need to start stuffing my face. I like carbs more than fats anyways. Taste wise.

How long have you been on Aromasin total, how long at 18mg, and how long did it take to notice gyno reversal?

By the way.... I am on 1mg of MT2 a day, getting tan as hell and have raging boners all day. Sweet.

 

[letsgetyolked]

I am the exact same way. Off cycle my test was 676ng/ml and my estrogen was 49. Estro just outta range. Pretty sure that this adex is just underdose. My gyno is pretty damn big the left is the size of a nickel, just 1 lump, and the right a few pea sized lumps. Slightly puffy, but not too bad. This ADEX is garbage. I'm at 1mg ED and still nothing. Still waiting for my aromasin and raloxifene to arrive.... I'm gonna stay on cycle. It isn't getting any worse, I will most likely have Estro levels tomorrow so I'll keep yall posted.

Do you eat most of your carbs in the morning? I have been trying to eat fats and protein at night, and carb and protein in mornings.....But you're right, I just need to start stuffing my face. I like carbs more than fats anyways. Taste wise.

How long have you been on Aromasin total, how long at 18mg, and how long did it take to notice gyno reversal?

By the way.... I am on 1mg of MT2 a day, getting tan as hell and have raging boners all day. Sweet.

You should PM me bro. Sometimes I forget to check this thread. The first 4 weeks on tren I was eating 110-100 grams of fat and about 80-100 grams of carbs with 1 refeed a week. I noticed some gains, but no sides. As soon as I switched my diet up to eating around 50-65 grams of fat and around 180-200 grams of carbs all the sides flared. I suffered insomnia and occasionally night sweats. I noticed my weight started to skyrocket as well ever since I changed it, and my body fat has stayed the same if not gone down with that. With this I realized you really need carbs to have tren do work. This is my 3rd run with tren. My first time with tren, I didn't really care about my diet just focused on eating a lot, and it still worked well. The second time I tried a high fat/low carb approach, buy my gear was fake or severely underdosed garbage. Now this time around I'm doing whatever I said before. I usually workout around 11-12 in the mornings so I try and get in around 100 grams of carbs before I lift. As soon as I'm done working out I eat a slice of white bread (something high on the gi index, but not straight simple carbs), after that I just fill my carbs in with oats and complex carbs until I go to bed. It's hard for me to control my carb cravings, especially when I take prami at night. It makes me sick and I start craving carbs so I'll eat around 20-30 grams of carbs or so to help stave off that nausea. I've been at 18 mg's of aromasin for about 2 weeks I'd say. Are you running anything to lower your prolactin levels, like caber or prami? You can try vitamin b6 if you can't get a hold of caber or prami asap, although the b6 wasn't cutting it for me. As soon as I hopped on the prami and a higher aromasin dose, I noticed the puffyness to die down about a week later. What's MT2?

 

[angry_swoles]

View attachment 557261View attachment 557262View attachment 557263

You should PM me bro. Sometimes I forget to check this thread. The first 4 weeks on tren I was eating 110-100 grams of fat and about 80-100 grams of carbs with 1 refeed a week. I noticed some gains, but no sides. As soon as I switched my diet up to eating around 50-65 grams of fat and around 180-200 grams of carbs all the sides flared. I suffered insomnia and occasionally night sweats. I noticed my weight started to skyrocket as well ever since I changed it, and my body fat has stayed the same if not gone down with that. With this I realized you really need carbs to have tren do work. This is my 3rd run with tren. My first time with tren, I didn't really care about my diet just focused on eating a lot, and it still worked well. The second time I tried a high fat/low carb approach, buy my gear was fake or severely underdosed garbage. Now this time around I'm doing whatever I said before. I usually workout around 11-12 in the mornings so I try and get in around 100 grams of carbs before I lift. As soon as I'm done working out I eat a slice of white bread (something high on the gi index, but not straight simple carbs), after that I just fill my carbs in with oats and complex carbs until I go to bed. It's hard for me to control my carb cravings, especially when I take prami at night. It makes me sick and I start craving carbs so I'll eat around 20-30 grams of carbs or so to help stave off that nausea. I've been at 18 mg's of aromasin for about 2 weeks I'd say. Are you running anything to lower your prolactin levels, like caber or prami? You can try vitamin b6 if you can't get a hold of caber or prami asap, although the b6 wasn't cutting it for me. As soon as I hopped on the prami and a higher aromasin dose, I noticed the puffyness to die down about a week later. What's MT2?