Hdrol followed by test cyp (first cycle)

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Robbinthehood

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Alright, so let's start with the stats first:

24 years old
6 ft 3
2.5 years training
212 at 13% body fat

After researching for a couple months I decided to start my cycle with a med dose of hdrol followed by test cyp. I figured I would get a good kick with the hdrol and due to the low amount of sides associated with it i could get a good recognition of what test will do to my body and how I react.

Basic outline of this cycle will be:
Hdrol: 50/75/75/75/75/75
Test cyp: beginning in week 3 of hdrol with 500 mg a week split mon/thurs
Adex at .25 eod beginning of week four of test injections but will play around with this.

Pct is nolvadex and clomid 50/50/50/50 and 40/20/20/20. Still unsure on this one. I have aroamasin as well if that would help as some threads have said. Also tossing around the idea of using clen/albuterol to shed some fat.

Now here is the confusing part. Due to another thread I saw recently I thought over the idea of front loading with test c at 1000 mg the first week to peak plasma levels. Should make it kick in right after the hdrol is done with if it is true. I have pinned 3 times now for a total of 750 Mgs and am willing to do another 250 if it would help. I can post the thread if it will help.

Now for the pct I only have capsules so in doses of 50 mg for both nolvadex and clomid. I am fine with the clomid but the nolvadex is taken in lower dose. For that can I just take the whole 50 and half capsule when I need the 20 or is the higher amount not negligible?

Diet is 40/20/20 at 3200 cals but will bump it up to around 3500. I am looking to lean bulk. Might up the cals if y'all recommend.

Thanks guys and sorry for the noob questions
 
Test c front load and general questions

Alright, so let's start with the stats first:

24 years old
6 ft 3
2.5 years training
212 at 13% body fat

After researching for a couple months I decided to start my cycle with a med dose of hdrol followed by test cyp. I figured I would get a good kick with the hdrol and due to the low amount of sides associated with it i could get a good recognition of what test will do to my body and how I react.

Basic outline of this cycle will be:
Hdrol: 50/75/75/75/75/75
Test cyp: beginning in week 3 of hdrol with 500 mg a week split mon/thurs
Adex at .25 eod beginning of week four of test injections but will play around with this.

Pct is nolvadex and clomid 50/50/50/50 and 40/20/20/20. Still unsure on this one. I have aroamasin as well if that would help as some threads have said. Also tossing around the idea of using clen/albuterol to shed some fat.

Now here is the confusing part. Due to another thread I saw recently I thought over the idea of front loading with test c at 1000 mg the first week to peak plasma levels. Should make it kick in right after the hdrol is done with if it is true. I have pinned 3 times now for a total of 750 Mgs and am willing to do another 250 if it would help. I can post the thread if it will help.

Now for the post cycle therapy (pct) I only have capsules so in doses of 50 mg for both nolvadex and clomid. I am fine with the clomid but the nolvadex is taken in lower dose. For that can I just take the whole 50 and half capsule when I need the 20 or is the higher amount not negligible?

Diet is 40/20/20 at 3200 cals but will bump it up to around 3500. I am looking to lean bulk. Might up the cals if y'all recommend.

Thanks guys and sorry for the noob questions
 
so ur gonna pin test cyp at 1000mg for one week, then let your blood levels crash down to 500mg after a few weeks? not a smart move, unless u are wanting that roller coaster
 
You're right. After looking at some other threads that looks like a bad idea.

Heres the general gist of it,

Testosterone Cypionate 's half-life is 8 days (Davis***8217;s Drug Guide for Nurses 9th Ed.)

For simplicity, let's assume a dosage of 500mg Test Cyp pinned every 8 days
Day 1 ***8211; 500mg (remember that the bioavailability at this point is 0 because it takes 8 days to metabolize 250mg, and this will be true for every dose that follows)

Day 9 ***8211; 500mg (remember what was stated on day 1), so at this point you have 250mg remaining in the body from day 1 because your body has used 250mg over the past 8 days)

Day 17 ***8211; 500mg, at this point you have 250 from Day 9 and 125 from day 1 (don***8217;t confuse yourself here, the body does not process 250mg every 8 days, it simply reduces the remaining by half every 8 days)

Day 25 ***8211; 500mg, at this point you have 250mg from Day 17, 125 from Day 9, and now just 62.5 remaining from day 1

Day 33 ***8211; 500mg, at this point you have 250mg from Day 25, 125 from Day 17, 62.5 from Day 9, and 31.7 from day 1.

The easy way to keep going on with this formula is to take the smallest number (31.7 in this case) and reduce it by half, then add it to your existing numbers for the total, and then repeat.

The total looks like this:
The first 8 days your body will metabolize 250mg
The second 8 days your body will metabolize half of the remaining 250 (125) and half of the 500 (250) administered on day 9 for a total of 375.
The third 8 days your body will metabolize 250, 125, and 62.5 for a total of 437.5. This is one reason it takes a couple of weeks to start noticing the effects of this drug.
To keep figuring out the bioavailability just keep reducing your smallest number by half and adding it to the total as described earlier.

Here is a chart demonstrating the bioavailability and how long it takes to even reach that 500mg per 8 day mark. For this demonstration we will use 8 days for 1 wk.
Wk 1 ***8211; 250mg
Wk 2 ***8211; 375mg
Wk 3 ***8211; 437.5mg
Wk 4 ***8211; 469.2mg
Wk 5 ***8211; 485mg
Wk 6 ***8211; 492.9mg
Wk 7 ***8211; 496.8mg
Wk 8 ***8211; 498.7mg
And so on***8230;.

So what does all this mean? Well for one it brings up a very important issue of frontloading. To frontload, you simply double your weekly dose just for that first week. It would look like this:
Wk 1 ***8211; 1000mg Cyp
Wk 2 ***8211; 500mg Cyp
Wk 3 ***8211; 500mg Cyp
And continue on at the normal 500mg/wk

The way this works is simple, during week 1 your body will metabolize 500mg of the first dose leaving you with 500 remaining. The second week your body will metabolize 250mg from the first dose and also 250 from the second dose for a total of 500. Now do you see how beneficial frontloading really is? You will stay constant at 500mg/wk throughout your cycle instead of tapering up by not frontloading.
 
u are way overthinking it... keep it simple, just run 500mg per week from the start for 12-15wks

put your effort into your diet and training
 
this is an older article but a good read on front loading test e

warriorfx.com/2007/07/front-loading-steroid-cycles/
 
Thank you Steve,

I found that article but forgot to bookmark it. I pinned the other 250 mg today so a total of 1000 in 4 days as some studies say. Going to pin 250 on thurs then continue with the planned 500 split mon/thurs.
 
Yes I see a lot of guys wanting to run a 500wk cycle and run prop for the first four weeks sat 250 wk. I always saying you want to reach the highest numbers and continue that throughout the cycle. If you want to kickstart with prop run 250 of prop and 250 of test e. Yea your numbers won't be exactly perfect because of the esters but will be closer and better than running 750 wk then dropping it to 500.
 
Honestly, I wish I had done that but I thought the addition of prop with the hdrol would just be too many compounds for a new guy. I chose hdrol due to low sides. I definitely don't mind pinning often though.
 
dont front load, it still requires time to build up to peak levels, just stay at the same dose throughout the cycle
 
Well I've had a hiccup and came down with a nasty sinus infection so I will rest as need be. It's been almost 3 months since I've taken a break or deloaded so now is the time I guess.

Started to get a couple of bumps in middle of back. Could be a coincidence though. Libido is slightly higher.

Going to train with layne nortons phat. Also trying to decide on cals. Maybe up it all the way up to 4k for a strong bulk. Already at 3600 now.
 
Well still sick and going to try and train real light if this chest cough lightens up and doesn't come back. Have barely been breaking 1500 cals as I've been so ill. Really bad timing.
 
Turns out it lead to walking pneumonia. Kept on with all of proper dosing even though I'm out of the gym. What horrible timing but oh well
 
About 3 1/2 weeks in and done with hdrol and will pin tomorrow morning with 250 as I've done since after the first week.

Strength and vascularity are improving but weight has only gone up around 2 lbs so far. Really wish I hadn't gotten sick. I have also started on the adex at .25 eod but will taper down as I think my joints are a little dry from the hdrol still. Going to lay off till mon when I pin again. Also think it might have affected sex drive somewhat. No signs of gyno so that's a plus even with the front loading.

Only neg side is that I have some light back acne but I am very prone to this.

Training is going extremely well and diet is on point with over 250 grams of protein on a bad day and cals from 3400 to 3600 but will taper up if weight gain continues to be slow. I'm currently doing layne nortons phat routine.
 
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