Help, bout ready to give up on TRT

[Alpin]

None of you guys answered if a total Testosterone of 400 was that low for a guy my age. That was my natural number. I must say, I do feel like there might be a positive out of this and that is, before starting, I had a low level pain in my right hip. Just noticed the other day that it is gone. So what do you guys suggest, stop taking it for 3 days, and then take like .5mg e3d. They said at the clinic that most men do ok on 1.5mg a week. I don't know, I was going by what the resident expert said on the other forum with the RSW way of determining where your E2 is at.

this is your baseline TT level ?
It's not bad!
Not best either though!
what about the rest of your numbers ?
Bio Avail. T, Free T, LH, FSH ?
Ever had a sleep study done ?
Don't take too much ADEX....you can crash your E2 and you will experience the worst side effects!!!!

 

[ezed413]

Again, do you have any lab values regarding E2 pre-TRT or while on TRT? The doctor put you on Lexapro and TRT at the same time? What was the reason for the Lexapro? Depression, Anxiety?



Do you have a link? Unless its supported by some research, it sounds like more word-of-mouth pseudoscience.

I have lab values for TT before TRT, it was 400 ng/dl.

My gp put me on lexapro because I was going through something at the time and I had anxiety. I am now taking Wellbutrin instead.

 

[ezed413]

this is your baseline TT level ?
It's not bad!
Not best either though!
what about the rest of your numbers ?
Bio Avail. T, Free T, LH, FSH ?
Ever had a sleep study done ?
Don't take too much ADEX....you can crash your E2 and you will experience the worst side effects!!!!

Sleep study once, and they determined I had apnea. I don't know how accurate it was, cause I slept all of an hour. Never again.

I know, I crashed E2 once, and my penis was worthless. Do you think .5mg EOD is too much?

 

[JOWS7]

I have lab values for TT before TRT, it was 400 ng/dl.

My gp put me on lexapro because I was going through something at the time and I had anxiety. I am now taking Wellbutrin instead.

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[Alpin]

Sleep study once, and they determined I had apnea. I don't know how accurate it was, cause I slept all of an hour. Never again.

I know, I crashed E2 once, and my penis was worthless. Do you think .5mg EOD is too much?

way too much....
you need to stay on a protocol and monitor T and E2 levels before even using one.
Then you start at lowest dose which for adex is 0.25 mg.....some can break the 0.25 mg in half and dose 0.125 mg...
I've done that

 

[Alpin]

Sleep study once, and they determined I had apnea. I don't know how accurate it was, cause I slept all of an hour. Never again.

I know, I crashed E2 once, and my penis was worthless. Do you think .5mg EOD is too much?

Crashing E2 is no joke...
Anxiety, depression, are also common side effects...
if u crash e2 your joints are sore(dry)

 

[bowhunter01]

I'm about ready to give up on trt also. Hell before trt cialis worked great now it doesn't do a damn thing but give me a wrinkled up old pecker. Been a crappy haul on trt and I'm fkn fed up myself.

 

[Billegitimate]

I'm about ready to give up on trt also. Hell before trt cialis worked great now it doesn't do a damn thing but give me a wrinkled up old pecker. Been a crappy haul on trt and I'm fkn fed up myself.

bowhunter! Who are you using for a doc? Maybe you just need to get with someone who specializes in this stuff.

 

[bowhunter01]

Ive been to my GP, a endo and now tomorrow I'm trying out a lady that specializes in hrt. Going to try a restart if at all possible because frankly test cyp has never done a damn thing for me. I'm in a stressful relationship have two great kids and trt is making it worse. My GP just threw me test cyp after a lab with a total t of 230 and low free t. Problem is he never tested FSH or lh so I don't know whether I'm secondary or primary. My endo ordered me to stop pinning and drew more labs after only 18 days saying I was secondary and from what ive read that is to soon after stopping. So now I'm back on test cyp and up shit creek. I am hoping to get hcg and a ai. This new doc runs labs on all hormones so I'm hoping she will get to the bottom of it but frankly I'd rather get off try pop some cialis and deal with being tired all the time.

 

[ezed413]

Ive been to my GP, a endo and now tomorrow I'm trying out a lady that specializes in hrt. Going to try a restart if at all possible because frankly test cyp has never done a damn thing for me. I'm in a stressful relationship have two great kids and trt is making it worse. My GP just threw me test cyp after a lab with a total t of 230 and low free t. Problem is he never tested FSH or lh so I don't know whether I'm secondary or primary. My endo ordered me to stop pinning and drew more labs after only 18 days saying I was secondary and from what ive read that is to soon after stopping. So now I'm back on test cyp and up shit creek. I am hoping to get hcg and a ai. This new doc runs labs on all hormones so I'm hoping she will get to the bottom of it but frankly I'd rather get off try pop some cialis and deal with being tired all the time.

Well I think you do need to find out why your T is so low. It might be because of stress. I am thinking of giving up on TRT myself. But my total T before I started was higher than yours at 400. But the main reason I went to a TRT doc was because of a low libido. It's still low. I'm in a stressful situation myself, and I wonder if this is what has killed my libido. Viagra used to work like a champ, but now it doesn't work at all. I really don't get that.

 

[Alpin]

Well I think you do need to find out why your T is so low. It might be because of stress. I am thinking of giving up on TRT myself. But my total T before I started was higher than yours at 400. But the main reason I went to a TRT doc was because of a low libido. It's still low. I'm in a stressful situation myself, and I wonder if this is what has killed my libido. Viagra used to work like a champ, but now it doesn't work at all. I really don't get that.

Stress eats hormones mind you.....

 

[Alpin]

Ive been to my GP, a endo and now tomorrow I'm trying out a lady that specializes in hrt. Going to try a restart if at all possible because frankly test cyp has never done a damn thing for me. I'm in a stressful relationship have two great kids and trt is making it worse. My GP just threw me test cyp after a lab with a total t of 230 and low free t. Problem is he never tested FSH or lh so I don't know whether I'm secondary or primary. My endo ordered me to stop pinning and drew more labs after only 18 days saying I was secondary and from what ive read that is to soon after stopping. So now I'm back on test cyp and up shit creek. I am hoping to get hcg and a ai. This new doc runs labs on all hormones so I'm hoping she will get to the bottom of it but frankly I'd rather get off try pop some cialis and deal with being tired all the time.

Most GP's don't give a damn about low T. Consider yourself lucky you even got some medical attention for your hypogonadism let alone a T script.

 

[bowhunter01]

Actually I don't feel lucky. I feel like a dumbass honestly. For jumping on the test cyp so fast. Stress can knock your test levels down to 230, hadn't had morning erections in years without cialis. I hardly believe stress could cause all that. I may never find the reason it was low but for now I'm sticking with trt adding hcg monday with no ai. Going to watch it myself and see what happens.

 

[ezed413]

Actually I don't feel lucky. I feel like a dumbass honestly. For jumping on the test cyp so fast. Stress can knock your test levels down to 230, hadn't had morning erections in years without cialis. I hardly believe stress could cause all that. I may never find the reason it was low but for now I'm sticking with trt adding hcg monday with no ai. Going to watch it myself and see what happens.

Half of these doctors don't know their butts from a hole in the ground. I know that when my E2 is in the sweet spot, I get rock hard morning erections that wake me up. Keep an eye on E2. For me, when I am too high, it's hard to get it up. When I am too low, can't get it up for nothing. Other symptoms when too high are, sweating, sore nipples, water retention, and anxiety to name a few. I have never gotten these symptoms, but others have. I think that I convert a lot of T to E2, because I seem to need a good amount of armidex. I am doing 1mg EOD. But others are super sensitive to it, and only require .25mg at a time. I have driven it too low a couple of times, and it is no fun. Each time I did, I had a useless wet noodle. My erections are pretty good for the last week. Perhaps I have found the right dose of arimidex. Maybe I won't stop TRT after all!. Just as of late, I am feeling pretty good. Now mind you, my doctor upped my androgel dose to 4 pumps a few weeks ago. This could have something to do with it.The one thing I have finally realized is, you have to be patient, something that I am not. It does take time. I want to feel immediate results, but I am seeing, that's not how it works. I have been on TRT a little over 5 months. I stopped for 10 days twice in that time when I felt it wasn't doing anything. I'm hard headed. I do think I am finally coming around though. Hang in there.

 

[bowhunter01]

Do you use hcg with your t? Just curious because I have a prescription for hcg and the pharmacy at Walgreen's is $224.00 for 10,000 ius I will only be using 1,000 per week so what the hell does a guy do? Freeze the rest in syringes or what?

 

[Alpin]

Half of these doctors don't know their butts from a hole in the ground. I know that when my E2 is in the sweet spot, I get rock hard morning erections that wake me up. Keep an eye on E2. For me, when I am too high, it's hard to get it up. When I am too low, can't get it up for nothing. Other symptoms when too high are, sweating, sore nipples, water retention, and anxiety to name a few. I have never gotten these symptoms, but others have. I think that I convert a lot of T to E2, because I seem to need a good amount of armidex. I am doing 1mg EOD. But others are super sensitive to it, and only require .25mg at a time. I have driven it too low a couple of times, and it is no fun. Each time I did, I had a useless wet noodle. My erections are pretty good for the last week. Perhaps I have found the right dose of arimidex. Maybe I won't stop TRT after all!. Just as of late, I am feeling pretty good. Now mind you, my doctor upped my androgel dose to 4 pumps a few weeks ago. This could have something to do with it.The one thing I have finally realized is, you have to be patient, something that I am not. It does take time. I want to feel immediate results, but I am seeing, that's not how it works. I have been on TRT a little over 5 months. I stopped for 10 days twice in that time when I felt it wasn't doing anything. I'm hard headed. I do think I am finally coming around though. Hang in there.

What's the "sweet spot" for you in regards to E2 ?
as well what is high E2 to you ?
What's the right dose of ADEX for you that you have found ?
Reason I ask is because 1 mg EOD is a lot of AI for TRT....
what dosages for T, HCG are you using at present ?
I can lower my E2 too much by taking even 0.125 mg EOD....
that's why I am intrigued by this....
I do E3D shots for T and E3D shots for HCG as well..

 

[ezed413]

What's the "sweet spot" for you in regards to E2 ?
as well what is high E2 to you ?
What's the right dose of ADEX for you that you have found ?
Reason I ask is because 1 mg EOD is a lot of AI for TRT....
what dosages for T, HCG are you using at present ?
I can lower my E2 too much by taking even 0.125 mg EOD....
that's why I am intrigued by this....
I do E3D shots for T and E3D shots for HCG as well..

APOLLON, the sweet spot for me, is when I get good rem sleep wood that wakes me up. I got this way of gauging E2 from the moderator of the Yahoo Hypogonadism2 Group. I don't know the actual number of what is high for me. I do know that 14 was way too low. I drove it this low by doing way too much arimidex when I was trying to find out my dose. When I am too high, I have a hard time getting an erection, takes a lot of work. When I am too low, my penis is worthless. I also get anxiety when I am too high. My dose of Androgel 1.62 is 4 pumps a day. Not taking Hcg, dr has me taking clomid instead. Some say this is not good. I only take 12.5mg two times a week.