Help! Death of the Sausage (yes, that one)

[Swoll]

I'm posting this here because, well, this is the only forum I've ever received much help from and it's members seem a lot more experienced and mature in their answers. Seems like a lot of forums aren't for much more than to allow it's members to say how stupid each others cycle/routine/etc is and more than anything, to hawk their snake oil. Also can't get a real answer for simply stated questions.

30 yrs old
240lbs, 6'1"
lifting 4 years
diet/training on spot

Been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for about 6 months. Before starting my cycle I did a single 300mg shot of test c that put me on cloud nine for about a week, then returned to earth with zero Libido. Resumed regular testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) injections and after about 3 weeks started my cycle (still with not Libido). No prior sexual problems (even before trt).

Now ending fourth week of dbol/sus 250 (and hcg) cycle that looks like this:

300mg sus 250 x 2 week
25mg dbol ED weeks 1-2
50mg dbol ED weeks 2-4
hcg 2x week

plan on continuing the dbol for another 1-2 weeks while I wait for a kick from the sus.

Problem: no Libido, zilch. I do not have access to labs, but I believe this is due to high E2 (though besides Libido problems, no itchy tits. Maybe a bit more emotional?). Started adex at .25mg EOD about a week and a half ago, and I believe it has helped a little, but not sure.

Have some questions floating around in my head.

Did the single shot of 300mgs elevate E2 levels and I am now behind the ball and need to blast it with adex?

Why am I beginning week 5 of my sus/dbol cycle and still no sex drive (modest gains however, but likely dbol).

By switching from my (relatively) fast acting test c to a slower tri test (sust) have I put myself in test deficiency and that is what is causing the Libido issues currently?

Will when the Sustanon (sust) kicks in I get over it?

Do I continue with adex at this level (if it is indeed E2 related) or should I crank it up a notch?

Thanks

 

[lexluther]

hey bro test c is the longest estered test there is out there its half life is a couple of weeks its a whole lot easier to keep your levels stable imho with c and e than that Sustanon (sust) your using

 

[coltmc45]

hey bro test c is the longest estered test there is out there its half life is a couple of weeks its a whole lot easier to keep your levels stable imho with c and e than that Sustanon (sust) your using

Wrong. There is test with longer esters then e or c bro research em.

To the op, I'd bump your adex to .5 eod. Personally I'd drop the adex and go for aromasin Ed but that's just me. See if that helps. Go get some bloodwork done to check your levels out. I wouldn't go to your reg doc since you're on trt. There's a sticky in the forum about how to get blood work done cheap and it's discreet.

 

[UserAt204]

My guess is your estro is high also. Continue on the adex and maybe even do .5 EOD for now. It will take a week or two to start feeling better. Dbol/sust/hcg all can cause high conversion of estro. I'm pretty sure if you get e2 in check you will be fine.

Better to get bloodwork then to guess. There is a sticky here that you can use to get bloodwork cheap and no doc. Results come the following day to email.

 

[MeatHead96]

Agree, probably high estro. The combination of those three will cause a lot of estro buildup. You def need to up the adex. Possibly up to .5 ed if eod isnt enough. DBOL aromatized a shit-ton so if its still bad you could drop that.

 

[Swoll]

Okay, got labs done. Some things of interest:

AST is high = 59 (0-40)
ALT is high = 147 (0-55)

No surprise here, dbol was just discontinued before this test. I suspect these values will be lower after a few weeks. Was also lifting up to the day before the test.

Cholesterol high = 268 (100-199)
HDL Chol. low = 26 (>39)
LDL Chol high = 226 (0-99)

Somewhat surprising. I suspected slightly elevated, but this is much higher than I'd hoped. I suspect it may be a result of my low estradiol, also bringing cardio back into the next 6 weeks.

T3 Uptake high = 46 (24-39) don't know what this means
Test, Serum high = 2573 (249-836) great
Test, Free high = 173.68 (5-21)
Free Test % high = 6.75 (1.5-4.2)

This seems good to me.

The kicker:
Estradiol, Sensitive = 4 (3-70)

AND I continued on adex at .5mg ED for five days after this test, until I saw the results. Prior to that I had been on at .5EOD for about a week and a half. What do you think? I think it is awfully low for the amount of test I'm on. I feel lethargic and have little sexual interest (although everything is functioning fine). What should I do? I've obviously discontinued the adex. Should I worry? How long before it comes up? Is there anything I can do to help it along?

Thanks for any help

 

[UserAt204]

I went thru this a while back. Yes that's low for estro. 25-35 is where you want to be. Give it some time. What I did was dropped the Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Then two weeks later I still felt the same. I then added two supplements from walmart, just a disclaimer I'm not one to use a bunch of this stuff and it may be coincidence, but I added 50-100mg a day of dhea then added 5-HTP 100mg before bed (Natrol brand only). That night I woke up with constant wood and have been great ever since then.

5-HTP helps increase seretonin levels. Like I said it could be coincidence but just like you my numbers were all good and libido was not so I'm not changing anything because something is working very well.

 

[Swoll]

LABS, dhea, liver

Do you think hitting the dhea this soon after the dbol will further aggravate alt/ast numbers? I know dhea in the 50-100mg is nothing compared to an oral aas as far as liver stress is concerned, but still it is contraindicated in those with liver damage.

 

[Teutonic]

Do you have liver damage ?

Dbols conversion is high...good to stop and settle in.

Your cholesterol level s need attention my man. ...mine was 168 last time I checked..and I eat whatever...what s the bp like.?

Libido is desire...
Does it work when you are INTERESTED..

Thinking bout it not working will aggravate it...

User gave you great advice

 

[Swoll]

Nope, no liver damage. Was more concerned with further aggravating elevated levels from the dbol. Two weeks since finishing dbol, so I imagine those levels are heading down. Think I may give it another week before getting on the dhea though.

Yes, cholesterol is high. Going egg whites in the morning rather than the half dozen eggs. Adding more fish, etc... Starting cardio again.

Agreed about all the advice. Great site here, great info, great posters, thanks all.

 

[Blondie_Bombshell]

Nope, no liver damage. Was more concerned with further aggravating elevated levels from the dbol. Two weeks since finishing dbol, so I imagine those levels are heading down. Think I may give it another week before getting on the dhea though.

Yes, cholesterol is high. Going egg whites in the morning rather than the half dozen eggs. Adding more fish, etc... Starting cardio again.

Agreed about all the advice. Great site here, great info, great posters, thanks all.

Cholesterol will fluctuate on and off cycled. The lower HDL is more dangerous than the higher LDL. Obviously the combination of the two is the worst.

Doctors will be quick to blame your dietary intake of cholesterol and specifically egg yolks. BS. Genetics are the biggest player here.

Switch to Omega 3 eggs and cut out any pre packaged or fast food from your diet.

I saw a drop in my LDL after only a few months of dietary changes and a few OTC supps.

But a friend of mine takes a Cholesterol drug every time he cycles. Just a worst case scenario.

 

[StevenTae]

I'm posting this here because, well, this is the only forum I've ever received much help from and it's members seem a lot more experienced and mature in their answers. Seems like a lot of forums aren't for much more than to allow it's members to say how stupid each others cycle/routine/etc is and more than anything, to hawk their snake oil. Also can't get a real answer for simply stated questions.

30 yrs old
240lbs, 6'1"
lifting 4 years
diet/training on spot

Been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for about 6 months. Before starting my cycle I did a single 300mg shot of test c that put me on cloud nine for about a week, then returned to earth with zero Libido. Resumed regular testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) injections and after about 3 weeks started my cycle (still with not Libido). No prior sexual problems (even before trt).

Now ending fourth week of dbol/sus 250 (and hcg) cycle that looks like this:

300mg sus 250 x 2 week
25mg dbol ED weeks 1-2
50mg dbol ED weeks 2-4
hcg 2x week

plan on continuing the dbol for another 1-2 weeks while I wait for a kick from the sus.

Problem: no Libido, zilch. I do not have access to labs, but I believe this is due to high E2 (though besides Libido problems, no itchy tits. Maybe a bit more emotional?). Started adex at .25mg EOD about a week and a half ago, and I believe it has helped a little, but not sure.

Have some questions floating around in my head.

Did the single shot of 300mgs elevate E2 levels and I am now behind the ball and need to blast it with adex?

Why am I beginning week 5 of my sus/dbol cycle and still no sex drive (modest gains however, but likely dbol).

By switching from my (relatively) fast acting test c to a slower tri test (sust) have I put myself in test deficiency and that is what is causing the Libido issues currently?

Will when the Sustanon (sust) kicks in I get over it?

Do I continue with adex at this level (if it is indeed E2 related) or should I crank it up a notch?

Thanks

Bro. Look at Blondie Bombshell's avatar and that should cure your libido issues. If not, RUN to the doctor as there is something seriously wrong.... Blondie, sorry if that was sexist and insulting, but wow.. LOL Forgive me, my test levels are high. LOL

 

[Swoll]

Blondie,

thanks. What kind of OTC supps? I've got some fish oil in the cabinet. And I've read a few good things about niacin...

 

[BigKevKris]

Grab the krill oil man.....F the fish oil. Niacin is great as well....

 

[UserAt204]

Get the cholesterol fixed. I think the 5-HTP helped more than the dhea. But as reference google "pregnenolone steal". Everyone can learn something from that.