Help!!!! LH, FSH Test and E2 crash on TRT

[albertnp]

Hoping someone can help me as I feel like total crap!!!
Ive been on TRT for 7 years on and off mostly on. The last 2 years consistently 150 mg every 3.5 days or 300 mgs per week. I have always kept my T levels in the 600 to 800 range on that protocol with e2 around 30 and everything else within range except hemo a bit high sometimes.

I have done 2 blasts within the last year with good results until now!! The last one I did was test , I bumped up my trt dose to 600 mg pw and added tren and a-dex. for 10 weeks. I have been off that blast for 7 weeks now. Had good results ,felt great, good gains ect. I went back down to my trt dose like last time after 10 weeks. (from the pharmacy)

NOW THE BAD NEWS: This time I started felling lousy within about 3 weeks, lost a lot of strength and gains by week 6 and now at week 8 post blast feel worse then I ever have. I went to urologist today to look at blood work that I did last week and I was SHOCKED!! and now understand why I feel so bad.
Total T= 180
E2 =26
Free T=26
LH= .2
FSH.7
Prolactin=7.4
WTH HAPPENED ??

From everything ive ever read there is no need for pct when blasting and dropping back down to trt dose. I did not have any issued with the first blast.
It is what it is but if someone can give me some advice as what to do id appreciate it. I mean do I need to do a restart just to bring my FSH and Lh up ?Do I up my Test dose? or will more time even things out again? How can my T level be 180 ( it was tested 2 times) while injecting 300 mg a week? Seems impossible to me unless im missing something.
All I know is I wouldn't wish this feeling on my worst enemy and any help or insight on how to correct it would be greatly appreciated!!

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Well your T has crashed so there is no way you are injecting 300mg of legit T p/week. Is this a new vial? Pharmacy or UGL? I would switch vials because whatever you're injecting now isn't test... Going from a higher T dose back to TRT dose shouldn't dip at all. It would just gradually fall back to the normal level and remain there.

 

[albertnp]

Yes it is a new vial from the Pharm (legit). Like I said it seems impossible. I used the same test during the blast but this vial is fairly new. It would make sense but cant see how it could be bad from the pharm.My question is even if that were the case and I switched would all my levels even out at some point .

 

[Megatron28]

Looks like you got a bad vial. I would speak with your pharmacist. Discontinue use of that vial immediately.

 

[albertnp]

That would make sense. I guess anything is possible. I hope it is that simple. This should be a interesting conversation with the pharmacist . Thank you for the advise.

 

[halfwit]

The blood work doesn't lie. This a compounding pharmacy by chance?


Oh, LH and FSH are supposed to be near zero while on TRT or taking any exogenous AAS.

 

[Alpin]

Crashed LH, FSH on TRT....lol
Its supposed to be suppressed.
You are supplying it from outside...
You may have gotten a vial with zinc in the Test
....
Who knows????

 

[albertnp]

Nope name brand from regular pharm. I knew it suppressed but didn't think that low. All the reading ive done on here I have not seen the topic of suppression of lh and fsh to near 0 levels while on cycle. Has to be bad vial with my t levels crashed as well. Who would have ever thought, but I guess there is know other explanation . Its going back and im starting a new one. Its not even about the cash but what I had to go through because of there crap.
One question still. So your lh and fsh is ok and normal at super low levels and remains that way while on trt or cycle? Also wouldn't my e2 be higher seeing my test level is so low right now.

 

[Megatron28]

Nope name brand from regular pharm. I knew it suppressed but didn't think that low. All the reading ive done on here I have not seen the topic of suppression of lh and fsh to near 0 levels while on cycle. Has to be bad vial with my t levels crashed as well. Who would have ever thought, but I guess there is know other explanation . Its going back and im starting a new one. Its not even about the cash but what I had to go through because of there crap.
One question still. So your lh and fsh is ok and normal at super low levels and remains that way while on trt or cycle? Also wouldn't my e2 be higher seeing my test level is so low right now.

Your HPTA is shut down. That means your LH and FSH are turned off. Your pituitary is not sending out those signals because it senses that your body has exogenous testosterone in it. It doesn't need to make its own test if there is already some there. So you are wrong. It is perfectly normal to see LH/FSH at 0 when one is running TRT or a Cycle.

You don't have any estrogen becasue your TT is low. Men get estrogen by aromatizing testosterone. No/Low Test = No/Low E2 when the HPTA is shut down. If your HPTA was not shut down due to the presence of exogenous testosterone this would be a different story -- somewhat. It still takes Test to make estrogen even when the HPTA feedback loop is open.

 

[halfwit]

Nope name brand from regular pharm. I knew it suppressed but didn't think that low. All the reading ive done on here I have not seen the topic of suppression of lh and fsh to near 0 levels while on cycle. Has to be bad vial with my t levels crashed as well. Who would have ever thought, but I guess there is know other explanation . Its going back and im starting a new one. Its not even about the cash but what I had to go through because of there crap.
One question still. So your lh and fsh is ok and normal at super low levels and remains that way while on trt or cycle? Also wouldn't my e2 be higher seeing my test level is so low right now.

Tron nailed it.

Which brand if you don't mind me asking? I've had a few vials from this newer lab called Sun, which are a little on the lighter side. I keep getting them apparently as getting Watson or Pfizer is more expensive for the pharmacy. I might just have to start insisting on which brand they carry in the future.

 

[Alpin]

Your HPTA is shut down. That means your LH and FSH are turned off. Your pituitary is not sending out those signals because it senses that your body has exogenous testosterone in it. It doesn't need to make its own test if there is already some there. So you are wrong. It is perfectly normal to see LH/FSH at 0 when one is running TRT or a Cycle.

You don't have any estrogen becasue your TT is low. Men get estrogen by aromatizing testosterone. No/Low Test = No/Low E2 when the HPTA is shut down. If your HPTA was not shut down due to the presence of exogenous testosterone this would be a different story -- somewhat. It still takes Test to make estrogen even when the HPTA feedback loop is open.

I had 180 TT and 40 pg/ml Estradiol reg panel...
Bad times!!!!


OP how much body fat percentage would you say you are?