help me feel normal again

[BigFella]

Hi Aki

(I just posted on my thread - scored a reeeaaaal low T reading, thank you!)

I think your formula is wrong. I will check it with my rough spreadsheet and also try to dig up Cashout's graphs.

Let's keep it simple: We'll forget there are four different esters, and we'll say it has a half life of four days, and we'll assume instant uptake, and we'll use 250mg.

On day 0 you'll have 250mg
On day 4 you'll have 125mg
On day 8 you'll have 67.5mg
On day 12 you'll have 33.75mg
On day 16 you'll have 16.875mg, which is 6.75% of your reading on Day 0, and you'll feel rather poor.

(Now to surf Cashout's posts - he's smarter than me.)

 

[Aki]

BigFella,

You're right, I made an embarrassing mistake there; I was supposed to subtract the dosage (250 In this case) from the formula I wrote above, which brings the figure to about 5 mg (LOL) which in retrospect makes more sense.

However, there's one point that I haven't got an answer for yet: how much do these injected amounts mean in terms of the testosterone level in the blood? Even if only half of the weight of the esterified testosterone in sustanon 250 was actual testosterone, it's not simply a case of converting to nanograms (multiplying by 10^6) and dividing by 50 dL (approximate amount of liquid in the human body) because that number is still about four or five orders of magnitude greater than the the testosterone concentration in blood. (Please watch out in case I've made another stupid mistake somewhere.)

Although in the relative sense, this doesn't affect what we've been talking about because we're addressing fluctuation as a ratio (assuming there's a linear relationship between the dosage and the increase in concentration of testosterone in the blood), but it still seems important to know.

 

[Aki]

Another thing to take into consideration is that the half life you assumed for sustanon (4 days) and even the half lives I mentioned two posts ago (7, 4, 3 and 2 days for the 100 mg, 60 mg, 60 mg and 30 mg components) are rather pessimistic.

I've found some estimates of the decanoate ester's half life as being 15 days, the second component having a half life of 9 days, etc. That would make a not so insignificant difference in the numbers.

Anyway, even after taking all that into account, injecting once every few days would keep the fluctuations relatively small - as you've been saying.

 

[BigFella]

Well, as I've said, I'm only learning here!

I did spend an hour or so trying to find Cashout's graphs but failed - sorry. What he did was to create the half life curves, then stacked them with re-injecting, and determined the best frequency of delivery from that.

While I have almost zero real life experience compared to everyone else here I am getting a fair bit of experience with Androforte, a transdermal. And my experience in the last 30 hours or so is interesting. As discussed, I had not applied any cream, and had treated myself badly, until I had blood drawn. Then I applied cream, yesterday afternoon, last night and this morning. And I think got the highest peak (that I have felt) since I started. I went to the gym and felt fabulous, pushed more weight than I have for two years - and two days ago I couldn't hold a plank for 60 seconds - my wife beat me! (Not htat this was a competition, of course. It never is unless I beat her.)

But the best thing BY FAR is that my brain is working again!

But my experience with Androforte is that I will now rapidly aromatise unless I use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Luckily I have that on hand.

(Sorry Aki. I didn't mean to hijack your thread!)

 

[BigFella]

You're right - the correct half lives change the equation dramatically.

You'll probably reach the same conclusion I did - if we're going to self inject then let's make it as pain-free and as easy as possible and do it frequently. And that means that T levels will stay flat.

Keep researching the half lives. Some guys here have narrowed it down for Test Cyp, for instance, from 5.5 days to 5.25 days. Or something like that.

 

[Aki]

Don't worry about "hijacking" my thread.. we're all in this together.

So it would seem that I can get my hands on some cyp, that might be better than sustanone, since there's only one half life to keep track of, therefore less variability (and like you said, some people have narrowed it down to 5ish days).

I think tomorrow I'll have to look into the other stuff I'll need (AI, HCG, etc.) and come up with a routine on my own... at the same time, I'll stay on the look out if I can find a local specialist on the issue of TRT.

I think if I'm going to be treating myself, I ought also to take blood tests on a regular basis to make sure nothing is going too high or too low. Cost might turn out to be a problem. Budget is a bit tight at the moment... oh well, let's see.