help me with my cutting dilemma

[e92]

right now i'm probably in the worst shape of my life cause i was out of the gym from december due to a surgery on my hand. i lost muscle too, not a lot because i'm on TRT (250mg) but man did i gain a bunch of fat. like i'm easily at 15-16% right now.

i can not stand seeing myself like this, so i ordered T3 and Tbol planning on running the tbol 6 weeks and t3 for 8. i got tbol because i plan on running the t3 fairly high, i want to get up to 75-100mcg, and im terrified of muscle loss. thinking of running low dose tren too maybe 50mg a day.

my question is this: after these 8 weeks of hardcore dieting i plan on doing a clean bulk with maybe NPP blast but havent decided yet. so should i hold off on the tren throughout this cut and maybe save it for my bulk?

 

[Megatron28]

If you don't want to lose muscle don't use T3 - especially that high. Just lower calories. Throw in an EC Stack. You don't have to go all crazy to lose body fat and rely on magic pills. Focus on your diet.

 

[e92]

If you don't want to lose muscle don't use T3 - especially that high. Just lower calories. Throw in an EC Stack. You don't have to go all crazy to lose body fat and rely on magic pills. Focus on your diet.

of course diet is key, but i've always been interested in t3 just never had a use for it cause i was always in the 10% zone. you have to admit though, 250mg test a week + tbol + tren and you're not losing any muscle on t3 while in a caloric deficit. in fact, i believe i'd actually gain muscle.

 

[Megatron28]

of course diet is key, but i've always been interested in t3 just never had a use for it cause i was always in the 10% zone. you have to admit though, 250mg test a week + tbol + tren and you're not losing any muscle on t3 while in a caloric deficit. in fact, i believe i'd actually gain muscle.

Maybe... I don't think you are going to find a medical study with control groups and all those compounds.

 

[halfwit]

of course diet is key, but i've always been interested in t3 just never had a use for it cause i was always in the 10% zone. you have to admit though, 250mg test a week + tbol + tren and you're not losing any muscle on t3 while in a caloric deficit. in fact, i believe i'd actually gain muscle.

WAY too many variables to claim victory - even with such compounds. How much of a deficit we talking here? What kind of training program is planned? It matters.

I took things VERY slow, going from about 20% to 13%, and I still lost some muscle mass. I was on plenty of drugs, researched as many possible methods as I could find, but still found a loss in the end.

T3 use can be done safely, but don't freak out if you notice those weights at the end are a bit heavier. You're not going to gain lean mass if you're planning on losing 7% body fat in 8 weeks by the way.

Assuming you're 180lb male (just a guess based on the typical reader), you would be carrying around 29lbs of body fat. If you want to be at 10% body fat, that means you would need to lose around 14lbs of fat. (This puts you at 166lbs.) 14lbs at 3500 kcal per pound means you have 49,000 kcals to burn/undereat beyond your TDEE.

That's roughly 6,125 kcals per week, or a total deficit of 875 kcal per day. This does not include "cheat meals" or refeeds to keep your metabolism running smoothly. T3 can reduce the need, but it will likely make you hungry; not including that ghrelin/leptin response.

There's the numbers for you. It's up to you to decide what to do with them. Is a cutting cycle needed, or do you believe that diet alone is good enough? There isn't a right or wrong answer as none of us know you better than yourself.

My .02c

 

[halfwit]

Wow, double post! D'oh!

 

[e92]

great info halfwit i appreciate it. by all means, i am not expecting to gain any muscle when i cut and i never do. but if it happens then i'll be glad. last summer i was running tren @ 700 a week (with clen up to 100mcg) and i went from 185 @ 12% to 185 @ 9% while on a cutting diet. i'm 5'9 btw

losing 7% bodyfat in 8 weeks is drastic and i am definitely not expecting that either. my goal is to lose as much fat as i can in those 8 weeks.

but back to the question at hand, if im already on 250mg test a week and planning on throwing in tbol @ 50-60mg a day while on the t3, is the tren really needed to prevent muscle loss or would the tbol be enough?

 

[Megatron28]

great info halfwit i appreciate it. by all means, i am not expecting to gain any muscle when i cut and i never do. but if it happens then i'll be glad. last summer i was running tren @ 700 a week (with clen up to 100mcg) and i went from 185 @ 12% to 185 @ 9% while on a cutting diet. i'm 5'9 btw

losing 7% bodyfat in 8 weeks is drastic and i am definitely not expecting that either. my goal is to lose as much fat as i can in those 8 weeks.

but back to the question at hand, if im already on 250mg test a week and planning on throwing in tbol @ 50-60mg a day while on the t3, is the tren really needed to prevent muscle loss or would the tbol be enough?

I think prevent is the wrong word. You should think in terms of minimizing. You will not completely avoid your greatest fear. That which terrifies you.

 

[somatropius]

right now i'm probably in the worst shape of my life cause i was out of the gym from december due to a surgery on my hand. i lost muscle too, not a lot because i'm on TRT (250mg) but man did i gain a bunch of fat. like i'm easily at 15-16% right now.

i can not stand seeing myself like this, so i ordered T3 and Tbol planning on running the tbol 6 weeks and t3 for 8. i got tbol because i plan on running the t3 fairly high, i want to get up to 75-100mcg, and im terrified of muscle loss. thinking of running low dose tren too maybe 50mg a day.

my question is this: after these 8 weeks of hardcore dieting i plan on doing a clean bulk with maybe NPP blast but havent decided yet. so should i hold off on the tren throughout this cut and maybe save it for my bulk?

I think you should use tbol solo on the cutting and save tren. Tbol should be enough to save muscles.
And I advice you dont to use T3 and other thyroids. They burn muscles as well as fat. Maybe, clen and ECA (2 weeks ECA+2 weeks clen ...) are better.

 

[e92]

I think prevent is the wrong word. You should think in terms of minimizing. You will not completely avoid your greatest fear. That which terrifies you.

are you joking? tren is zeus' semen in a vial. you will gain no matter what you're eating if you're taking 700mg of tren a week i dont care if you're eating 1000 calories a day. you're gonna gain.

 

[Megatron28]

are you joking? tren is zeus' semen in a vial. you will gain no matter what you're eating if you're taking 700mg of tren a week i dont care if you're eating 1000 calories a day. you're gonna gain.

Try fasting for two weeks and take all the Tren your heart desires. Zero food. Let me know how much muscle you gain during that two weeks. I will pay for your bod Pod scans.

Stop looking for magic pills. The sooner you realize you have to put in hard work the sooner you can start achieving your goals.

 

[clman8585]

Fasting on tren! Sounds like a diabetic comma is in the works

 

[Prowl]

I would suggest just staying with your trt dose and trying out a keto diet. Keto worked great for me, dropped a ton of bf in a short time.

 

[halfwit]

Fasting on tren! Sounds like a diabetic comma is in the works

I have gone hypoglycemic on tren before funny enough.

 

[Dirkmcgirk]

Isn't the perceived muscle loss on t3 moreso just glycogen depleted muscles? I one point during my cut I used 75-100mcg on 400mg of test a week and was completely fine. When i got off it I only gained an inch i my waist and my muscles were full as fuck with 2 weeks

 

[e92]

Isn't the perceived muscle loss on t3 moreso just glycogen depleted muscles? I one point during my cut I used 75-100mcg on 400mg of test a week and was completely fine. When i got off it I only gained an inch i my waist and my muscles were full as fuck with 2 weeks

yeah thats what i read as well. but the week after i come off i'm literally gonna eat like 1500 calories a day.

but how did you feel at that dose? lethargic? sweaty? anxious? etc etc etc

 

[Mountain-Man]

Drop the t-3 bro if ur not on a high enough dose of aas ur gonna eat away at ur lean mass with t-3 be smart look for answers here with search function t-3 is a serious drug I use it from time to time but be very carful u only have one thyroid

 

[halfwit]

Isn't the perceived muscle loss on t3 moreso just glycogen depleted muscles? I one point during my cut I used 75-100mcg on 400mg of test a week and was completely fine. When i got off it I only gained an inch i my waist and my muscles were full as fuck with 2 weeks

Anything above TRT doses should keep you from losing too much. You STILL will lose some - it's inevitable not to - just like gaining some fat on a bulk. Unless you laser refine your diet of course.

Even then, it would be quite the challenge imo.

 

[e92]

Drop the t-3 bro if ur not on a high enough dose of aas ur gonna eat away at ur lean mass with t-3 be smart look for answers here with search function t-3 is a serious drug I use it from time to time but be very carful u only have one thyroid

i dont think you realize how much 250mg a week of testosterone raises your levels. i'm currently sitting at around 1400ng/dl with that dose which is about twice the average of someone 18-30

Anything above TRT doses should keep you from losing too much. You STILL will lose some - it's inevitable not to - just like gaining some fat on a bulk. Unless you laser refine your diet of course.

Even then, it would be quite the challenge imo.

exactly, its not like im expecting to lose no muscle at all but i'm just rather looking to minimize it as much as possible. thats why i'm throwing in tbol. i might even up my trt from 250 to 300 a week.

 

[Megatron28]

and im terrified of muscle loss.

you have to admit though, 250mg test a week + tbol + tren and you're not losing any muscle on t3 while in a caloric deficit. in fact, i believe i'd actually gain muscle.

are you joking? tren is zeus' semen in a vial. you will gain no matter what you're eating if you're taking 700mg of tren a week i dont care if you're eating 1000 calories a day. you're gonna gain.

exactly, its not like im expecting to lose no muscle at all but i'm just rather looking to minimize it as much as possible.

Do you think before your type? Do you listen to yourself at all? WTF? You have the attention span of an 8 year old.