HELP WITH MY PCT- NOLVA/CLOM dosing and Adex/Cortisol control

[HenryHill]

Cycle was 11weeks Test E first cycle. I was thinking of running:

HCG BLAST 500iu/day until 4 days before PCT
Clomid: 100/100/100/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20/20/20
A-dex: 0.5mg E3d tapered down to .25E4D till end
Vit C: 3g/day


Should I adjust the Clomid and Nolva Dosage? Only run Nolva for 4 weeks?

Also, anyone recommend a good cortisol control supp for post cycle therapy (pct)? I've used Lean Xtreme before in the past

 

[SquadLeader]

You might want to go 50/50/25/25 with the clomid, everything else looks fine, maybe up the Vitamin C to 5g's a day.

 

[HenryHill]

Thanks for the input squad, will def up to 5g/day Vit C.

Should clomid be ran for 6 weeks or 4?
And Nolva? 6 or 4 weeks?

So far I have:


clomid 50/50/50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
Vit C 5g/day
ZMA


Should cortisol supp be added or will vitamin C suffice ?

 

[MattPorter]

Cycle was 11weeks Test E first cycle. I was thinking of running:

HCG BLAST 500iu/day until 4 days before PCT
Clomid: 100/100/100/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20/20/20
A-dex: 0.5mg E3d tapered down to .25E4D till end
Vit C: 3g/day


Should I adjust the Clomid and Nolva Dosage? Only run Nolva for 4 weeks?

Also, anyone recommend a good cortisol control supp for post cycle therapy (pct)? I've used Lean Xtreme before in the past

Why clomid and nolva for post cycle therapy (pct)? That is like using adex + letro?

For cortisol control try a phospholipid complex --- phosphatidyl Serine is GREAT for coritsol modulation and memory, clarity etc,...

 

[HenryHill]

I have plenty of both on hand... Any reason not to use both? I assumed a strong post cycle therapy (pct) would be better for recovery just to be safe

 

[HenryHill]

ttt

 

[JimiThing]

Why clomid and nolva for post cycle therapy (pct)? That is like using adex + letro?

Common misconception but No ..it isnt:

"Clomiphene is an antiestrogen, which decreases the estrogen effect in the body. It has a dual effect by stimulating the hypothalamic pituitary area and it has an antiestrogenic effect, so that it decreases the effect of estrogen in the body. Tamoxifen is more of a strict antiestrogen, it decreases the effect of estrogen in the body, and potentiates the action of clomiphene. Tamoxifen and clomiphene citrate compete with estrogen for estrogen receptor bind*ing sites, thus eliminating excess estrogen circulation at the level of the hypothalamus and pituitary, allowing gonadotropin production to resume. Administering them together produces an elevation of LH and secondar*ily gonadal sex hormones. " Dr Michael Scally

 

[MattPorter]

Common misconception but No ..it isnt:

"Clomiphene is an antiestrogen, which decreases the estrogen effect in the body. It has a dual effect by stimulating the hypothalamic pituitary area and it has an antiestrogenic effect, so that it decreases the effect of estrogen in the body. Tamoxifen is more of a strict antiestrogen, it decreases the effect of estrogen in the body, and potentiates the action of clomiphene. Tamoxifen and clomiphene citrate compete with estrogen for estrogen receptor bind*ing sites, thus eliminating excess estrogen circulation at the level of the hypothalamus and pituitary, allowing gonadotropin production to resume. Administering them together produces an elevation of LH and secondar*ily gonadal sex hormones. " Dr Michael Scally

Does he provide blood work with this theory?

How does the estrogenic action of clomiphine is contributing to the increase in LH....

How significant is this dual effect in the grand scheme of things...

-Matt

 

[JimiThing]

Does he provide blood work with this theory?

How does the estrogenic action of clomiphine is contributing to the increase in LH....

How significant is this dual effect in the grand scheme of things...

-Matt

He has a whole peer reviewed published study to support it if his reputation inst enough already.
Im no Dr Scally but apparently its significant enough that the foremost expert in treating steroid induced andropause deems it prudent, even necessary.
Hey dont get me wrong I understnd why people think what u said is true , but we all can learn from people like Dr Scally , thats for sure.

 

[MattPorter]

He has a whole peer reviewed published study to support it if his reputation inst enough already.
Im no Dr Scally but apparently its significant enough that the foremost expert in treating steroid induced andropause deems it prudent, even necessary.
Hey dont get me wrong I understnd why people think what u said is true , but we all can learn from people like Dr Scally , thats for sure.

I understand, he has a nice reputation for these matters, but it deserves some explanation of how an estrogen increases LH release.
beyond just nolvadex alone which is a pure anti-estrogen.

-Matt

 

[JimiThing]

I understand, he has a nice reputation for these matters, but it deserves some explanation of how an estrogen increases LH release.
beyond just nolvadex alone which is a pure anti-estrogen.

-Matt

I suppose you could go the the forum he belongs too and ask him to elaborate if you want a better understanding. He is petty accessible there from what i understand.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Cycle was 11weeks Test E first cycle. I was thinking of running:

HCG BLAST 500iu/day until 4 days before post cycle therapy (pct)
Clomid: 100/100/100/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20/20/20
A-dex: 0.5mg E3d tapered down to .25E4D till end
Vit C: 3g/day


Should I adjust the Clomid and Nolva Dosage? Only run Nolva for 4 weeks?

Also, anyone recommend a good cortisol control supp for post cycle therapy (pct)? I've used Lean Xtreme before in the past

other then maybe recommending making test go to 12-14 weeks long and only using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) the last 4-5 weeks leading up to post cycle therapy (pct) (BUT NOT into it) and also maybe lowering the post cycle therapy (pct) dose a bit (20tamox/50clomid for 4 wks, but just op)
I say it looks good.
I found Clomid and some Tamox to be very nice in post cycle therapy (pct), im on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) now though so i dont do it now but I have read a lot on it and they seem to complement each other well. some actions it has in the body blocks some things estrogen would affect yet tells others to do this and that. Crazy stuff they come up with lol

also you could probibly drop the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at start or midway into post cycle therapy (pct), give your self some time to level out with least amount of stuff.

 

[juced_porkchop]

I should mention alot also like some IGF-1 during post cycle therapy (pct). might help recovery and is WILL help keep gains for those few weeks atleast.
Just a though.

Good luck!

 

[MattPorter]

igf-1 is great for people over 40 to maintain internal organ size......

-Matt