2spooky4me
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Hey all!
Just an FYI, very long post below, but I hope someone reads and assists. I want to make sure I can get as much detail out as possible. Cliffs/main points at the bottom.
I wanted to introduce myself and meet all of you, as well as hopefully I can be steered in the right direction.
I'm Vick, and I'm a 26 year old male. I have been lifting since I was 18. I've been pretty active all my life, did martial arts for some time during my teens, also was always out and about playing sports. I'm a healthy male, at least I perceive myself to be (all blood work has come back normal and/or excellent for many tests), and my lifting has always been great. My nutrition wasn't always on point, but I quickly learned this after a couple years in the gym. My body responded very well to lifting, and I have taken various supplements under the sun (excluding however, anything test boost related (until maybe a couple years ago), and PH/andros. Never touched any of that. The most "hardcore" supp I ever did try, which was a couple years ago for the first time, were PES Erase Pro and Anabeta Elite. If I've taken any supplements that may have had "something in them that shouldn't have been," is beyond my knowledge. Any way, I've cleaned up my eating and lifting and have been religiously in the gym since the beginning.
Fast forward to recently, I was diagnosed with low test @ 276, when I was 25. I started to wonder why I always felt lethargic, depressed, cloudy, etc. And considering how much time I spent in the gym, putting on muscle and burning fat was very difficult, despite having done a ton of research and trying things that worked for me. I was tested again for test later in the year, and it came in at 281. However, I haven't been able to get out of this range since, so I finally saw an endo and I was prescribed Test C, 200mg e2w.
I started pinning 100mg ew, every Friday actually. At first, I was doing 100, and my body responded very well - no gyno, was starving a ton more (although I've always had a fast metabolism), and my lifts started going up. I started shedding body fat as well. At 100mg however, the first two months, I felt better than I did before. STILL with many of the problems I had, but they weren't as bad. I started TRT on June 8 of this year, and have been on it since.
EW I have pinned for the past 15+ weeks 100mg. I had bumped the dose up to 120 about eight weeks into TRT, and just recently bumped up to 150. I'm staying here, I don't plan on increasing. I feel a much more noticeable difference on 150 than I did 100. Maybe placebo? Idk, but strength has shot through the roof, no gyno reported, and everything feels better overall. Two months ago, I switched to a diff endo because the first one was an ass, kept accusing me of things, etc. So this new doc ran blood work, and saw that my test (at the time with c @ 100-120mg/week) came in at 730. However, FSH, LH are low, very low, and he said my estradiol was in the healthy range, but creeping towards the high area now.
This was two months ago. I'm not sure how bad things are now, but I feel better, and no "estrogenic-based" feelings (that I know of). He wants to take me off TRT for good, he believes I'm too healthy of a male to be on it. He wants to taper me down to 100mg every week, and slowly taper off until I'm off for good. I feel great on 150, I can't imagine what I'd feel on anything past that, and although curious, I'm fine with where I am. However, I'd like to come off test and see how my body responds to this, I want to see what I will retain, and what will drift away.
Now, the way the doctor is doing this, he has ordered one more bottle of test for me (currently on my second 1mL bottle of C), but instead of it being cypionate, he is giving me enanthate and instead of being 10mL, it is 5mL. So he's definitely going to get me off of it. He does NOT want to prescribe me anything for PCT, he doesn't know what that is. He just wants me to stop using Test after the last pin of enanthate. No HCG, no Nolva, no Clomid, etc. I started Erase Pro three weeks ago, and I saw my testicles did get slightly bigger from their shrunken size but maybe that is just in my head. I'm almost done with ePro but don't plan on doing a second bottle.
I have a gym buddy who can hook me up with clomid, but I'm kind of skeptical. I just want to make sure of how I can come off test without feeling too much of a rebound effect, proper PCT after being on it for this long (by the time I started to PCT, I'll have been on test for +/- 36 weeks, and I'd like to find a new endo as well), and how can I tell fake clomid (if at any point someone decided to scam me, or ANY fakes for that matter.)?
I'd love to one day run a real cycle maybe after being off C for a bit of time post cycle, but for now I am very content with test.
Any assistance will be GREATLY appreciated. Any questions, please ask. I'm VERY sorry for the VERY long post, I just want to make sure I can give as much detail as possible.
- Lifting for eight years now, since I turned 18, have done tons of research on lifting/nutrition, have tons of experience in and out of the gym now (except for the next level stuff like PH and Steroids, etc.
- Natural up until 25
- Started using Test C for TRT purposes on June 8 of this year - came in at 279-281 test when tested last year (25 years old, two blood work tests confirmed this spread months apart) All other blood work tests came back normal/excellent - did quick research on test, am somewhat knowledgeable about it now
- Weeks 1-8, 100mg ew as prescribed (200mg e2w but I'd rather pin every week)
- Felt better overall, but not a massive change, bumped up to 120mg ew, felt a tad bit better, at week 13 I bumped up to 150 and feeling much better than before, still some issues lingering, but whatever
- Body has responded very well to test, no gyno (as of yet) and no estrogenic sides felt (that I know of)
- Second endo wants to take me off of TRT for good, I'm "too healthy" for it, he believes it is depression (Stopped going to first endo because of personal comfortability issues)
- Second endo ran blood work on me, test went up to 731 when I was on 100mg per week (test was done in August, haven't tested since), estadiol is normal in this test, but creeping towards the high end of normal, FSH and LH came back VERY low, prolactin is very high, still within normal, but very high.
- Second endo will not prescribe me anything for PCT, no hcg, no nolva, clomid, etc. Wants to taper me down to 100mg e2w until I'm finally done
- On second bottle of Test C, 10mL both bottles, second endo prescribed test E 5mL and has definitely decided to take me off
- By the time I get on test E and complete that run, I'll be into TRT +/- six months
- How do I pct after this, what do I need? I'd like to come off test for some time to see how my body responds anyway, see what I maintain/lose, I'd like to eventually do a real cycle in the future with something added to test.
- A buddy can set me up with clomid, but how do i tell the real stuff from the fake stuff? (clomid and all other things if possible)
- Sorry for the long wall.
Thoughts? Ideas? Concerns? Thank you.
Just an FYI, very long post below, but I hope someone reads and assists. I want to make sure I can get as much detail out as possible. Cliffs/main points at the bottom.
I wanted to introduce myself and meet all of you, as well as hopefully I can be steered in the right direction.
I'm Vick, and I'm a 26 year old male. I have been lifting since I was 18. I've been pretty active all my life, did martial arts for some time during my teens, also was always out and about playing sports. I'm a healthy male, at least I perceive myself to be (all blood work has come back normal and/or excellent for many tests), and my lifting has always been great. My nutrition wasn't always on point, but I quickly learned this after a couple years in the gym. My body responded very well to lifting, and I have taken various supplements under the sun (excluding however, anything test boost related (until maybe a couple years ago), and PH/andros. Never touched any of that. The most "hardcore" supp I ever did try, which was a couple years ago for the first time, were PES Erase Pro and Anabeta Elite. If I've taken any supplements that may have had "something in them that shouldn't have been," is beyond my knowledge. Any way, I've cleaned up my eating and lifting and have been religiously in the gym since the beginning.
Fast forward to recently, I was diagnosed with low test @ 276, when I was 25. I started to wonder why I always felt lethargic, depressed, cloudy, etc. And considering how much time I spent in the gym, putting on muscle and burning fat was very difficult, despite having done a ton of research and trying things that worked for me. I was tested again for test later in the year, and it came in at 281. However, I haven't been able to get out of this range since, so I finally saw an endo and I was prescribed Test C, 200mg e2w.
I started pinning 100mg ew, every Friday actually. At first, I was doing 100, and my body responded very well - no gyno, was starving a ton more (although I've always had a fast metabolism), and my lifts started going up. I started shedding body fat as well. At 100mg however, the first two months, I felt better than I did before. STILL with many of the problems I had, but they weren't as bad. I started TRT on June 8 of this year, and have been on it since.
EW I have pinned for the past 15+ weeks 100mg. I had bumped the dose up to 120 about eight weeks into TRT, and just recently bumped up to 150. I'm staying here, I don't plan on increasing. I feel a much more noticeable difference on 150 than I did 100. Maybe placebo? Idk, but strength has shot through the roof, no gyno reported, and everything feels better overall. Two months ago, I switched to a diff endo because the first one was an ass, kept accusing me of things, etc. So this new doc ran blood work, and saw that my test (at the time with c @ 100-120mg/week) came in at 730. However, FSH, LH are low, very low, and he said my estradiol was in the healthy range, but creeping towards the high area now.
This was two months ago. I'm not sure how bad things are now, but I feel better, and no "estrogenic-based" feelings (that I know of). He wants to take me off TRT for good, he believes I'm too healthy of a male to be on it. He wants to taper me down to 100mg every week, and slowly taper off until I'm off for good. I feel great on 150, I can't imagine what I'd feel on anything past that, and although curious, I'm fine with where I am. However, I'd like to come off test and see how my body responds to this, I want to see what I will retain, and what will drift away.
Now, the way the doctor is doing this, he has ordered one more bottle of test for me (currently on my second 1mL bottle of C), but instead of it being cypionate, he is giving me enanthate and instead of being 10mL, it is 5mL. So he's definitely going to get me off of it. He does NOT want to prescribe me anything for PCT, he doesn't know what that is. He just wants me to stop using Test after the last pin of enanthate. No HCG, no Nolva, no Clomid, etc. I started Erase Pro three weeks ago, and I saw my testicles did get slightly bigger from their shrunken size but maybe that is just in my head. I'm almost done with ePro but don't plan on doing a second bottle.
I have a gym buddy who can hook me up with clomid, but I'm kind of skeptical. I just want to make sure of how I can come off test without feeling too much of a rebound effect, proper PCT after being on it for this long (by the time I started to PCT, I'll have been on test for +/- 36 weeks, and I'd like to find a new endo as well), and how can I tell fake clomid (if at any point someone decided to scam me, or ANY fakes for that matter.)?
I'd love to one day run a real cycle maybe after being off C for a bit of time post cycle, but for now I am very content with test.
Any assistance will be GREATLY appreciated. Any questions, please ask. I'm VERY sorry for the VERY long post, I just want to make sure I can give as much detail as possible.
CLIFFS HERE V V V
- Lifting for eight years now, since I turned 18, have done tons of research on lifting/nutrition, have tons of experience in and out of the gym now (except for the next level stuff like PH and Steroids, etc.
- Natural up until 25
- Started using Test C for TRT purposes on June 8 of this year - came in at 279-281 test when tested last year (25 years old, two blood work tests confirmed this spread months apart) All other blood work tests came back normal/excellent - did quick research on test, am somewhat knowledgeable about it now
- Weeks 1-8, 100mg ew as prescribed (200mg e2w but I'd rather pin every week)
- Felt better overall, but not a massive change, bumped up to 120mg ew, felt a tad bit better, at week 13 I bumped up to 150 and feeling much better than before, still some issues lingering, but whatever
- Body has responded very well to test, no gyno (as of yet) and no estrogenic sides felt (that I know of)
- Second endo wants to take me off of TRT for good, I'm "too healthy" for it, he believes it is depression (Stopped going to first endo because of personal comfortability issues)
- Second endo ran blood work on me, test went up to 731 when I was on 100mg per week (test was done in August, haven't tested since), estadiol is normal in this test, but creeping towards the high end of normal, FSH and LH came back VERY low, prolactin is very high, still within normal, but very high.
- Second endo will not prescribe me anything for PCT, no hcg, no nolva, clomid, etc. Wants to taper me down to 100mg e2w until I'm finally done
- On second bottle of Test C, 10mL both bottles, second endo prescribed test E 5mL and has definitely decided to take me off
- By the time I get on test E and complete that run, I'll be into TRT +/- six months
- How do I pct after this, what do I need? I'd like to come off test for some time to see how my body responds anyway, see what I maintain/lose, I'd like to eventually do a real cycle in the future with something added to test.
- A buddy can set me up with clomid, but how do i tell the real stuff from the fake stuff? (clomid and all other things if possible)
- Sorry for the long wall.
Thoughts? Ideas? Concerns? Thank you.
