Hormone test levels results

[Jonz]

So i just took a test to see where my levels are at. These are the results.

I was hoping someone could offer their opinion.

Estradiol: 1.2 pg/ml

estriol: 3.1 pg/ml

Progesteron 169 pg/ml

Testosterone 112.7 pg/ml

DHEA 222 pg/ml

Cortisol 9668 pg/ml

Ratio* 93.3
Testosterone : Estradiol - Optimal level: over 200

Ratio* 140.8
Progesterone : Estradiol - Optimal level: 200 - 300


I can't really figure this out since it reads in pg/ml. Can someone help me with this? How does it look?

And also, what is the significance of those ratios? How important are they?


These are the ranges used.

Estradiol: under 1.5

Estriol: 5 - 30

Progestarone: 12 - 200

Testosterone: 44 - 200

DEHA: 130 - 700

Cortisol: 1800 - 9500


Im a 30 year old male 184cm tall and my weight is 70kg

 

[halfwit]

That's one of the weirdest test results I've seen. Estradiol is usually measured in pg/mL, but that's REALLY low! I wonder why the range given shows that as within norm...

As far as testosterone goes, it's often measured in nanograms per deciliter, while yours is given in picograms per milliliter. To convert, simply divide by 10 (the ratio is 1/10 between the two), giving you a total testosterone of 11.27ng/dL - which is VERY low.

Something doesn't seem right here at all, I was a walking zombie with 10x that testosterone. How are you feeling? Or.. Is that FREE testosterone that was checked?

The ratio is kind of worthless in my opinion as it's more about how you feel than anything. What prompted you to get this done?

 

[Megatron28]

Did you check LH and FSH? Where do you live?

 

[Jonz]

I live in The Faroe Islands. This was a saliva test that i ordered from a german company medivere.de. Im wondering if it make any difference that it was a saliva test, considering the ranges given?

The reason for getting this done is because of low energy and depression for some years now.

I havent had my LH or FSH checked. I did however a year and a half ago check LDH: 212 U/l. IGF-1: 232 ug/l. TSH: 1.57 mlU/l. and SHBG: 23 nmol/l. Estradiol: 0.11 nmol/l Testosterone free: 0.4863 nmol/l. and testosterone total 17.4 nmol/l. This was a blood test

And yes, it was indeed free testosterone measured in that saliva test.

 

[halfwit]

Ahhhh, that makes sense. The concentrations would be much lower, hence the different ranges. You appear to be healthy for the most part, with the exception being cortisol. Have you been under a lot of stress lately? Cortisol is the hormone that is released after adrenaline (epinephrine) has been introduced to your body and is responsible for bringing your heart rate back down as well as "calming" you. If under constant stress (or sleep apnea), your adrenal glands will start to secrete greater and greater amounts of cortisol as they are constantly being called upon to keep you going with adrenaline.

I don't fully understand what the ranges here are indicating other than your estradiol is on the high end of things for a mid-point free testosterone. As long as you feel okay, I wouldn't worry too much about that.

 

[Megatron28]

Why not get a blood test instead?

 

[Jonz]

Why not get a blood test instead?

Unfortunately there are no private labs where i live. We only have national healthcare. Its a hassle convincing doctors that you actually need these tests. The government also has strict rules when it comes to hormones. Doctors here are for example not allowed to prescribe test e or cypionate.

 

[Jonz]

your estradiol is on the high end of things for a mid-point free testosterone.

Do you think this could cause any problems? Im 184 cm tall, weight is only 70 kg and fat percentage is 15%, but all that fat is located around my belly and breasts. Im also wondering if high estradiol could be contributing to any psychological issues, like feeling overly emotional and having low self-esteem?

I am actually thinking about experimenting with a low dose of aromasin to see if i feel any different. Or is this perhaps a bad idea?

 

[Jonz]

Ok so i have now obtained aromasin. I intend to start with a low dose. How low do you think i should start out with to be safe? And would you suggest taking every day or perhaps every other day? I really appreciate some advice since i'm not entirely comfortable trying this. Im worried about crashing my estradiol. Is this a stupid idea?

 

[Megatron28]

Ok so i have now obtained aromasin. I intend to start with a low dose. How low do you think i should start out with to be safe? And would you suggest taking every day or perhaps every other day? I really appreciate some advice since i'm not entirely comfortable trying this. Im worried about crashing my estradiol. Is this a stupid idea?

But you lab work indicated that your estradiol is in the normal range. Why do you want to push it lower? Or are you hoping to do an AI-monotherapy? If so, wouldn't simply taking testosterone be better given how severely low your TT is?

What is you doctor advising?

 

[Jonz]

But you lab work indicated that your estradiol is in the normal range. Why do you want to push it lower? Or are you hoping to do an AI-monotherapy? If so, wouldn't simply taking testosterone be better given how severely low your TT is?

What is you doctor advising?

I thougt my lab numbers indicated that my estradiol is high when its compared to my test levels? Since aromasin lowers estradiol i was hoping to get better ratios between my estradiol and test levels. I see it perhaps as a secondary bonus that aromasin also raises test levels.

I had to google AI-monotherapy. I didn't even know it was a thing. Some comments i've seen on it are not so encouraging. One comment said: "consensus I saw coming from multiple TRT doctors was that AI monotherapy gets the numbers good, but the patients lack any subjective improvement. We don't know why that is."

I've tried test gel for a month. That didn't work to well for me. My test levels actually dropped. If i could get my hands on test enethenate or cypionate i would, but i cant because of where i live.

The doctor i got the aromasin from is a friend of mine who doesn't know much about trt, aromasin or test. He just did me a favor.

 

[Megatron28]

I am going off the info you provided. You said you estradiol was at 1.2 and anything under 1.5 is normal for males. Again, since this is an unusual lab test, I am relying entirely on that info you provided. I have no idea how accurate a saliva test is -' so be cautious

Anyhow according to this, your estradiol is fine. I would in no way recommend tryng to fine tune a ratio with medication.

You also have to keep in mind that your HPTA feedback loop is still open. So if you take an AI to lower estrogen, your pituitary will sense less estrogen and pump out more LH. Thus additional LH will tell your testicles to make more testosterone. That testosterone will result in increased aromatization ans thus more estrogen. And so on with the loop.

This is all assuming that your HPTA is functioning properly. You didn't get LH and FSH checked so we unfortunately don't know if you are Primary or Secondary Hypogonadotropic. So we don't know if AI-monotherapy will do anything for you.

I really do not recommend that you take such a blind and haphazard approach to medicating yourself. You need proper blood work done and the help of a doctor.And again, the idea of trying to fine tune a test to estrogen ratio is not a good idea.

As for gels, most guys do not have much success with them in raising their testosterone levels.

 

[Jonz]

given how severely low your TT is?

My TT is 501 ng/dL. Is that really severely low?

 

[Megatron28]

My TT is 501 ng/dL. Is that really severely low?

No. That is normal actually and healthy. You do NOT need TRT. No wonder you felt like crap on test gel. You surely ended up lowering your testosterone levels below 500.

You are playing a dangerous and foolish game by trying to self medicate yourself. I highly encourage you to stop.

P.S. Hypogonadism is considered below 300ng/dl.

 

[Jonz]

I am going off the info you provided. You said you estradiol was at 1.2 and anything under 1.5 is normal for males. Again, since this is an unusual lab test, I am relying entirely on that info you provided. I have no idea how accurate a saliva test is -' so be cautious

Anyhow according to this, your estradiol is fine. I would in no way recommend tryng to fine tune a ratio with medication.

You also have to keep in mind that your HPTA feedback loop is still open. So if you take an AI to lower estrogen, your pituitary will sense less estrogen and pump out more LH. Thus additional LH will tell your testicles to make more testosterone. That testosterone will result in increased aromatization ans thus more estrogen. And so on with the loop.

This is all assuming that your HPTA is functioning properly. You didn't get LH and FSH checked so we unfortunately don't know if you are Primary or Secondary Hypogonadotropic. So we don't know if AI-monotherapy will do anything for you.

I really do not recommend that you take such a blind and haphazard approach to medicating yourself. You need proper blood work done and the help of a doctor.And again, the idea of trying to fine tune a test to estrogen ratio is not a good idea.

As for gels, most guys do not have much success with them in raising their testosterone levels.

I see. Thanks for your advice. Maybe i'll skip the aromasin then

 

[Megatron28]

I see. Thanks for your advice. Maybe i'll skip the aromasin then

Good idea!